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PostOct 26, 2005#151

As I was walking down Washington today, it struck me that if the skybridge is ever torn down, SLC's first floor retail space suddenly becomes a lot more marketable. It appears large enough to accomodate a fairly good sized store or several small retailers.

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PostOct 27, 2005#152

Also with the bridge taken out, the entire end of the mall could be a giant glass box like the corner entrances. It would be more inviting because you could see inside the mall from the street

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PostNov 16, 2005#153

Just returned from Walgreens. No heat or lights on in the common areas. If you go, dress warm!

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PostNov 16, 2005#154

I was there too, cutting through from Famous-Barr. The place really looks like crap right now. There is a boarded-up window near F-B, and the it looks like all of the tile floors need to be replaced - most of the tiles are cracked and/or just filthy looking.



As sda mentioned, work has started on Gold's Gym, which is hopefully a sign of good things to come for the Centre.

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PostNov 16, 2005#155

In the meantime, it would be helpful if they placed a few signs in key locations to let people know the center will be undergoing changes in the future. Pardon our dust, or Stay tuned for improvements. Something like that so people don't get the wrong idea about the neighborhood.

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PostNov 16, 2005#156

That would be a great idea, even if it wasn't true! At least it wouldn't cast such a negative impression on people who are either from out of town or don't know any better.

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PostNov 18, 2005#157

I often contemplate where would be best to place signage near the northwest entrance directing convention goers towards Garment Row* or the Landing.



* we can't expect "loft district" to be meaningful for much longer, can we?

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PostNov 28, 2005#158

So sad, wandered through the center yesterday after seeing the cardinals thing at the convention center. Some family was wandering through and the kids were asking the parents what was wrong with the mall. the parents were trying to explain that the mall was once nice, but had gone down hill fast.



As for the new furniture section at Famous, it was boring. good to see 7 floors of retial, but the new area was nothin much from what i saw. man tha store needs a desperate remodeling.

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PostDec 12, 2005#159

EXCLUSIVE REPORTS

From the December 9, 2005 print edition



<A HREF="http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/ ... html">SLDC picks projects for $32 million in tax credits</A>

Heather Cole



St. Louis Development Corp. (SLDC), the economic development agency for the city of St. Louis, decided in late November how to allocate $32 million of the $52 million in tax credits it was granted by the U.S. Department of the Treasury in May 2004.



Six projects, ranging from loft developments to the acquisition of land for industrial development, will receive the credits through the SLDC. The largest amount, for up to $8 million, is being set aside for the redevelopment of St. Louis Centre. The mostly vacant shopping mall is owned by Barry Cohen. Cohen purchased the mall in a foreclosure sale for $5.4 million in 2004 and has not announced a redevelopment plan for the building. Cohen said he's talking with other developers as possible partners on the project, but he declined to release details.



The credits could be used for a developer who "shares our vision of the site," said Patrick Bannister, director of business development for SLDC.



Cohen said he had not heard of the credits being awarded for St. Louis Centre before he was contacted by a reporter. "That would be helpful and allow us to go forward with redevelopment plans."



<A HREF="http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/ ... tory4.html">>>> read more</A>

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PostDec 12, 2005#160

That seems like a good use for the credits, but it is worrysome that Cohen had no idea that the SLDC was even thinking about using them in this way. Shows that the city and the "developer" are not working together to see that the project is done and that there could be a messy confrontation ahead if the city doesn't get what it wants.

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PostDec 12, 2005#161

I thought it was interesting that Mr. Bannister said that the credits could be used for a developer who "shares our vision for the site." Reading between the lines, that makes it sound like he's talking about someone (probably at this point unknown) other than Cohen. Nice to see the city taking the initiative to do something about the Centre because the owner sure doesn't appear to be doing much.

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PostDec 12, 2005#162

I think Cohen's strategy of having a tenant like Gold's Gym occupy what little street-facing storefront space his mall has, proves he doesn't have a clue as to how to capture more pedestrian shoppers. I mean Gold's could still go in the Centre, but the street-level space should have obviously had multiple walk-in tenants or a major draw, like a major bookstore or music store (think Memphis' Peabody Place's Tower Records).



For example, the Marquette has the YMCA on the 3rd floor, freeing up street-level space for any retail desiring a window to lure in walkers. Sure, a gym could lure in some walkers too. And gym memberships surely aren't bought as impulsively as a book or a CD. Besides, most midwesterners are too prudish to want to be on display while they work out.

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PostDec 12, 2005#163

Either way, one can hope that there is some movement on the Center in the next year, because it is a key part of making 6th St. and Locust atractive and active links to the rest of downtown.

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PostDec 12, 2005#164

And to southslider's point, the space currently occupied by Gold's Gym is probably the most marketable space in the entire mall!

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PostDec 12, 2005#165

southslider wrote:I think Cohen's strategy of having a tenant like Gold's Gym occupy what little street-facing storefront space his mall has, proves he doesn't have a clue as to how to capture more pedestrian shoppers. I mean Gold's could still go in the Centre, but the street-level space should have obviously had multiple walk-in tenants or a major draw, like a major bookstore or music store (think Memphis' Peabody Place's Tower Records).



For example, the Marquette has the YMCA on the 3rd floor, freeing up street-level space for any retail desiring a window to lure in walkers. Sure, a gym could lure in some walkers too. And gym memberships surely aren't bought as impulsively as a book or a CD. Besides, most midwesterners are too prudish to want to be on display while they work out.


I don't think he actually has a strategy. Or had any other prospective tenants for any of the space.

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PostDec 14, 2005#166

This was reported by Martin Van Der Werf of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch today...



<A HREF="http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/busine ... C4C8">City offers credits to attract Borders and give life to St. Louis Centre</A>

By Martin Van Der Werf

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

12/13/2005




St. Louis has set aside $32 million of federal tax credits, hoping to invigorate St. Louis Centre and possibly bring a Borders bookstore to downtown.



The city designated $8 million of that "as an incentive to induce an experienced private local developer to acquire and rehabilitate" St. Louis Centre and "put it back into productive and attractive use." The shopping center, which was filled with stores when it opened in the mid-1980s, is now nearly vacant, although Gold's Gym recently relocated there from 1520 Washington Avenue.



The language indicates that the city has lost patience with Barry Cohen, who owns the shopping center. "We're not saying any person is excluded or included," said Rodney Crim, executive director of the St. Louis Development Corp., adding, "It's pretty obvious it's an unproductive asset right now."

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PostDec 14, 2005#167

I say throw the bum out!!!!!! A friend of mine went to STL Centre a couple of days ago and she said neither the elevators nor the escalators worked! Enough is enough!

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PostDec 14, 2005#168

Nope, not much of anything works. Yet, inside with the glass roof, the mall could be so nice looking.

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PostDec 14, 2005#169

The escalators are broken down so frequently (over the past 9 years at least) that I think its some sort of plot to discourage customers.



As mentioned previously, lighting and heat are turned off. The place leaks like a sieve when it rains.



At this point, I don't know if revitalization is even possible. The interior and exterior are in terrible condition. The building and design materials are dated and would have to be completely replaced to attract today's consumers.



Before good money is thrown after bad, I'd like to see some feasibility and market study done.



Even if it was in excellent, contemporary condition, will today's consumers even be attracted to a DT mall? When it opened, it was state-of-the-art, full to the brim and attracted thousands of shoppers. I have to think the concept wasn't sustainable even accounting for some racism driving customers away.

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PostDec 14, 2005#170

I'm curious as to why Walgreen's has stayed on the 4th floor for so long. Back when the food court was still thriving, it made sense to have it there, as downtown office workers could easily get a bite to eat and then stop in to the adjacent Walgreen's to pick up anything they might need.



Now, Walgreen's would be better off in the space now occupied by Gold's Gym.



I wonder what could be done with the mall. What about this option: retain the southern section (the part that connects with Famous-Barr) as a shopping arcade, close it off where One City Center starts, and convert those floors into office space, meeting rooms, conference center, etc. for One City Center. On the northern part of the mall, tear down the skybridge, and the entire northern part of the building, and replace it with a new mid-rise housing development overlooking Washington, with first floor retail space.

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PostDec 14, 2005#171

If you are going to propose tearing down, then do the right thing and level the whole building, save maybe the ONe City Center tower (does anyone know the occupancy rate in that building, cause if it was low, i might just take it down too).



Replace it with a combo of office or residential towers and a two story shoping arcade. That way the Olive coridor will have two indoor arcades within a three blocks, but at the same time no one will be trying to fill 4 stories of shopping, allowing more street level retail to fill up.

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PostDec 14, 2005#172

I think One City Center's occupancy level is pretty decent - it has some good tenants - Sandberg Phoenix, Cannon Design, etc. It's Class A space and the most viable part of the whole thing. The bad thing about it is that I guess that if the mall itself were to be torn down, having the office tower there limits the height of whatever would be built in its place so that the new construction wouldn't block One City Center's windows.



My first choice would be to see the whole thing torn down too, but I'm not sure that's going to happen.

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PostDec 14, 2005#173

Here are some things I think they should be aware of , if they choose to renovate it, rather than removing it.



-Renovation should include the exterior, as it is atrocious in appearance. There should be more windows, more displays of what's inside, and it should blend more with Washington Avenue.



-The stores at the base of the center, whatever faces Washington Avenue, should be something you can not find anywhere in the Metro area, and something that attracts many people. Also, they should have street entrances, and mall entrances for these stores.



-Other attractive stores should be placed on the top floors, so that visitors pass others to get to them.



-Stores should be as unique as possible, but if they were to include a place such as "The Gap," it should be a larger version, to offer more than what you find in the burbs.



-It is important that the mall removes several of the worse performing stores, on occasion, and replace them with others that may perform better. This will make the mall different upon each visit.



-Renovations should be done every 4 or 5 years to keep the mall modern and to prevent it from being , the same'ol same'ol.



-Some form of entertainment should be inside, an Imax theater, a children?s center, a space museum- something fun for tourists.



-Events should go on from time to time.











I think the biggest problem with it before, was that it eventually just became a mall in the city. It wasn't an attraction, and it offered little competition for the malls outside the city. Also, the place was the same every time you went, towards the end of its life. It was the same old thing.



"Hey Edna and Orfus, do you want to go to St Louis Center?"



"Oh, you mean 'that' place? It's the same thing every time. We can just go to Northwest Plaza instead."

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PostDec 15, 2005#174

Xing, all of your ideas are excellent. Maybe someone with some clout and some sense will read your post and take your advice (or hire you). It's frustrating that people are paid to come up with ideas to make improvements and can't come up with any solutions, yet here is advice that makes sense, and it's free!!

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PostJan 11, 2006#175

From today's RFT:


Paint It Black

Downtown's movers and shakers can't wait for St. Louis Centre's overhaul

By Mike Seely



Published: Wednesday, January 11, 2006



Calling St. Louis Centre a "struggling mall" doesn't quite capture the perennial air of failure that the downtown albatross has carried throughout most of its twenty-year existence.

"I just cringe to think what the average tourist would think of our downtown after visiting St. Louis Centre," says loft developer Craig Heller. "If I see conventioneers down here asking where to shop, I never send them to St. Louis Centre."



"It remains the one big black eye for downtown the way it is right now, particularly from the standpoint of conventioneers," seconds Jim Cloar, executive director of the Downtown St. Louis Partnership. "I can tell whether they've gone east or west on Washington Avenue based on their feedback. If they say, 'Downtown's dead,' I know they've gone east on Washington. If they've had a positive experience, I know they've gone west.



"It's almost like a psychological Berlin Wall," Cloar adds, describing the four-story building where the vacancy rate stands at more than 50 percent. "People just don't want to go past it."



In the summer of 2004, public-private civic booster Downtown Now! was so intent on bidding good riddance to St. Louis Centre that the organization offered to buy the facility out of foreclosure for $4 million ? ostensibly to raze the building and redevelop in its footprint.



"The city was fully behind us," recalls Downtown Now! executive director Tom Reeves of the bid. "We didn't anticipate that anyone would go to the foreclosure sale and pay it off in full."



But a low-key, California-based investor named Barry Cohen surprised everybody by doing just that.



Cohen, who in 1993 purchased the historic Jefferson Arms apartment complex on Tucker Boulevard, snapped up the entire moribund mall at a courthouse auction for $5.4 million ? or one-nineteenth of its 1985 price tag of $95 million ? in August 2004. In fact, Cohen, who is in the process of rehabbing a similarly downtrodden shopping center in Harrison, Arkansas, was the only person to submit a bid.



"We didn't even go," says Reeves of the auction. "We honestly thought that $4 million was pushing it, so there wasn't any missed opportunity."



Several months after taking control of the property, Cohen verbally agreed to cooperate with Reeves' plan to demolish the infamous Washington Avenue skybridge that connects the green-and-white mall to a shuttered Dillard's department store. Then, in September, Cohen pulled out of the handshake pact, deeming the plan unacceptable amid timeline concerns.



Cohen maintains he still intends to dismantle the glass-and-tile-enclosed bridge, although he won't say when, which has alienated Reeves.



"I'm very frustrated," complains the Downtown Now! executive director, who says his negotiating window with Cohen closed when the developer pulled out of the skybridge pact.



"Downtown Now! has offered several generous and creative ideas to move the process along," Reeves adds. "It is an eyesore, and it has a tremendous negative investment, which is even more magnified because everything else around it is being redeveloped."



"I think [Cohen's] heart is in the right place," says Jim Cloar. "But we would have liked to see him move a whole lot quicker."



If Cohen's Arkansas project, a sparsely populated shopping mall dubbed The Fashion Center, is any indication, he'll eventually deliver the goods ? albeit on no one's timeline but his own.



When asked if his constituents have been satisfied with Cohen's stewardship, Harrison city councilman Pat Moles responds, "Yes and no. For several years he kind of let it go, and it went downhill. But the last few years, he spent some money on it. I don't know the man and have never met him, but it's doing better."



Which essentially encapsulates Cohen's modus operandi: Keep a low profile, preach patience, and then gradually generate value through a meticulously planned overhaul.



"It was tired, dated and needed a lot of money," Cohen says of his Arkansas mall. "When we bought it, it had some long-term leases at very low rates that prevented renovation. So as tenants have started to turn over, we've put a lot of money into it."



But St. Louis Centre is a different animal, at least politically.



"I'm kind of off the radar, so this has been an interesting experience for me," he acknowledges. "I didn't appreciate [the extent of negative public perception] until I bought it."



Conscious of the fact that there's no escaping the Scrooge label for now, Cohen insists better days are around the corner for St. Louis Centre. He's already lured Gold's Gym eastward from 16th Street and Washington Avenue, and says he's in negotiations with a new investor (whom he declines to identify) that could culminate in a thorough redevelopment plan as early as February.



Cohen has also been wooing Borders Books with the promise of city-approved tax breaks and has ceded the mall's vacant third floor to a five-year-old nonprofit artists' collaborative called ArtDimensions. The group considers the space a godsend.



"Once I walked through it, I realized: Everything's clean, there are floor outlets, there's track lighting, there's security, there's a garage across the street that's a dollar an hour, with a bridge that brings you right across," says ArtDimensions director Davide Weaver. "These are some beautiful things that we've never had before, which lets us focus on the art."



"The whole idea of artists doing work in a downtown mall is just wild to me," adds stencil artist Peat Wollaeger, who grew up in Webster Groves and remembers visiting the shiny new mall as an adolescent ? visits that ceased once the shinier, newer Galleria opened in nearby Richmond Heights. "It's very surreal to see all this great art go up in empty spaces."



But is art a silver bullet? It depends on whom you ask.



"St. Louis Centre has got to offer something with a sense of place that's distinctive," posits Andrew Hurley, a professor of urban and environmental history at the University of Missouri-St. Louis. And like many social scientists, Hurley considers the downtown mall boom of the 1980s a nationwide urban-planning disaster.



"Downtown still has the aura of an artsy place ? a cultural center. Art is an area where it has a leg up on the suburbs in terms of reputation. When they have art walks, people go down there. So I'd say an art gallery is a better bet than what was there before."



"As much as I like the idea of having a strong arts element downtown, that's not really a portion that can carry its own weight economically," counters Jim Cloar. "At one time Barry talked about bringing all of his retail down to the ground floor, which is one of the real keys.



"Back in the mid-'80s, the hard lesson we learned was that we compete best by being a downtown. Not by trying to copy the suburbs."

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