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PostFeb 05, 2011#1

A couple of articles in the P-D last week about local bookstores:

Big Sleep bookstore, a CWE bookstore dedicated to mystery novels, is holding its own as similar stores in other cities close shop. P-D link

Meanwhile, Subterranean in the Loop needs either increased sales or decreased rent to stay open. P-D link

I wonder if the Loop, especially west of Skinker, is the right place for Subterranean today. The increased foot traffic apparently isn't translating to increased sales enough to compensate for the rising rent. Maybe Subterranean would be better suited to a different neighborhood.

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PostFeb 06, 2011#2

^South Grand.

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PostFeb 06, 2011#3

It seems that with the continued increase of book sales online, that bookstores in the traditional sense are becoming obsolete.

Even when I go to a big chain like Borders, I can never find what I want. Online shopping gets me what I want at a pretty good price.

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PostFeb 06, 2011#4

I wrote a blog post on this topic here: http://nextstl.com/urban-living/the-pli ... bookseller

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PostFeb 07, 2011#5

^^Borders possible bankruptcy illustrates your point..

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PostFeb 07, 2011#6

Bookstores are going the way of record stores which went the way of video rental stores. Sure, they'll always be a few niche locations, but by and large, the industry is dead.

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PostFeb 17, 2011#7

From the P-D, Indie St. Louis bookstores form 'alliance', including Left Bank Books, Subterranean, Pudd'nhead Books, and Main Street Books, "to help them raise awareness of their stores." They expect others, including used book sellers, to also join.

An interesting perspective here:
The alliance has nothing to do with the Borders bankruptcy, but Furrer said that when she opened her Webster Groves store two years ago she thought that in five years there would be "independent bookstores, Amazon and that's it."

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PostFeb 17, 2011#8

rbeedee wrote:From the P-D, Indie St. Louis bookstores form 'alliance', including Left Bank Books, Subterranean, Pudd'nhead Books, and Main Street Books, "to help them raise awareness of their stores." They expect others, including used book sellers, to also join.

An interesting perspective here:
The alliance has nothing to do with the Borders bankruptcy, but Furrer said that when she opened her Webster Groves store two years ago she thought that in five years there would be "independent bookstores, Amazon and that's it."
Her quote doesn't make sense to me. One would expect savvy brick and mortars to come up with a solid solution for book distribution utilizing the e-reader model. Borders failed where Barnes and Noble didn't. Indies are shut out of this market because they have nothing but a losing option in affiliate sales.

They're also holding an e-reader petting zoo. I'm not so sure about that but it seems like a smart idea for them to band together and post events and the like in a common place. Ref: http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyr ... liance.php

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PostFeb 18, 2011#9

I think of local indie bookstores as serving a different community than Amazon (or other online distributors), which I think serves or will serve) the exact same market as Barnes and Noble. Indie bookstores are places of community and are "part of the neighborhood" in a way that chains (including Borders, Barnes and Noble, etc) are not, and they also attract the "buy local" crowd. If e-readers replace paperbacks in a big way, I can see indies staying around in an niche market. Barnes and Noble may stay afloat, or even prosper, with the Nook and its publishing arm, but I foresee them transitioning to a predominantly online business, an Amazon focused on books. I can't imagine them sticking around in a brick-and-mortar format if the market for physical books shrinks down as much as expected, and it's hard for me to see what advantage they would have over Amazon. I suspect her remark is along similar lines: the chains are going to be competing head-to-head with Amazon in the near future, and she's betting on Amazon.

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innov8ion wrote:Her quote doesn't make sense to me. One would expect savvy brick and mortars to come up with a solid solution for book distribution utilizing the e-reader model. Borders failed where Barnes and Noble didn't. Indies are shut out of this market because they have nothing but a losing option in affiliate sales.
They're next. It's only a matter of time, at least as far as meat space stores go.

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PostFeb 18, 2011#11

rbeedee wrote:I think of local indie bookstores as serving a different community than Amazon (or other online distributors), which I think serves or will serve) the exact same market as Barnes and Noble. Indie bookstores are places of community and are "part of the neighborhood" in a way that chains (including Borders, Barnes and Noble, etc) are not, and they also attract the "buy local" crowd. If e-readers replace paperbacks in a big way, I can see indies staying around in an niche market. Barnes and Noble may stay afloat, or even prosper, with the Nook and its publishing arm, but I foresee them transitioning to a predominantly online business, an Amazon focused on books. I can't imagine them sticking around in a brick-and-mortar format if the market for physical books shrinks down as much as expected, and it's hard for me to see what advantage they would have over Amazon. I suspect her remark is along similar lines: the chains are going to be competing head-to-head with Amazon in the near future, and she's betting on Amazon.
That's another way to look at it but she forgot about Google who's about to be a player as well. It's just, the selection at indie bookstores is not very good at all. Combine that with no relevant digital distribution and things start to look a bit bleak. Consumers want selection, cheap prices, and convenience. To be honest, Indies don't seem to have much to offer except for book signings. Can't libraries host them?

We're talking about inevitability here. In a world of MP3's, there are only so many Vintage Vinyls.

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PostFeb 18, 2011#12

And not to mention our city's phenomenal library system. When I see a book at Borders/Left Bank/Amazon is check to see if the library's got it. They come through 70% to 80% of the time.

For me, I only buy reference-type books or books I know I'll refer to again and again. Fiction? Only if it's 'one for the ages.'

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PostSep 13, 2011#13

According to the article Left Bank is staying downtown for the time being. However the environment for local bookstores is a tough business. Even though books online are cheaper, shopping at a local bookstore is valuable and fun. Make sure you support all of them when you need a book. Shop local shop often.

http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/b ... 0f31a.html

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PostSep 13, 2011#14

downtown2007 wrote:Even though books online are cheaper, shopping at a local bookstore is valuable and fun. Make sure you support all of them when you need a book. Shop local shop often.
If you have a non-Kindle ereader, you can support Left Bank by purchasing ebooks through their website: http://www.left-bank.com/

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PostSep 13, 2011#15

^^Did they really have to use a picture of Sammy Hagar signing a book to illustrate that article? Sheesh.

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PostSep 13, 2011#16

downtown2007 wrote:According to the article Left Bank is staying downtown for the time being. However the environment for local bookstores is a tough business. Even though books online are cheaper, shopping at a local bookstore is valuable and fun. Make sure you support all of them when you need a book. Shop local shop often.
Had a pleasant surprise this week, my wife and I had to get some books for our daughter's English class for the year and found that buying used through the local bookstore that the teacher recommended was slightly cheaper then amazon.

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PostOct 27, 2020#17

Left Bank Books is struggling, and is publicly asking for support.  

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PostOct 27, 2020#18

Donated. Thanks for posting about this.

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PostOct 29, 2020#19

Sounds like support for Left Bank is strong:
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... onate.html
“We saw a massive response after our appeal,” she said. In addition to making cash donations, customers have placed online orders such that the store is “scrambling this week to keep up,” said Kleindiesnt, who did not share how much the store has raised in donations. “It’s a very, very happy problem to have.”

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PostOct 29, 2020#20

Yeah.  I ordered some books yesterday first thing in the morning and they still aren't available for pickup..

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PostOct 31, 2020#21

^Yep, it definitely had an impact. I have been buying from them throughout the pandemic and books would usually be ready in 1-2 days. Ordered something earlier in the week and it was only ready yesterday. 

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PostNov 02, 2020#22

I buy my books from Novel Neighbor in Webster, but made a donation to LBB.  I'll try to make another donation before the year ends.

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PostNov 02, 2020#23

I just find it a bit strange to make donations to a for-profit business. I mean, if people want to support them, buy some books. But to simply give them money? I don't know. 

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PostNov 02, 2020#24

^ I’d rather donate money to a locally owned for-profit business that employs local residents and adds some nice street life in the CWE than seeing my money go to Amazon. I’ve got a big stack of books I haven’t read yet. I don’t need anymore...but don’t mind helping out. That’s just me tho.

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PostNov 02, 2020#25

framer wrote:
Nov 02, 2020
I just find it a bit strange to make donations to a for-profit business. I mean, if people want to support them, buy some books. But to simply give them money? I don't know. 
Me too.  I'm definitely a liberal dude who believes in a social safety net, but I'm more of a "let the market rule" as far as businesses go.  That said, I can understand if some people would prefer to support their local independent bookstore rather than buying from Amazon.

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