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SLU MED vs. WUSTL MED

SLU MED vs. WUSTL MED

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PostFeb 14, 2016#1

I'm sure there must be a thread on this somewhere, but it is an enduring question in my mind. Some time ago Richard Florida and others articulated this idea that luring companies into an urban area to provide jobs is a good way to end up disappointed when the companies ultimately get lured again elsewhere. An alternative, more sustainable, approach is to put investment into anchoring institutions that aren't going anywhere. For Florida, in PIttsburgh at the time, they determined a strong focus on the local medical school could probably create lots of little companies and all sorts of jobs.

Baltimore, Cleveland, and St. Louis were watching that more than most, I think. Baltimore figured its greatest strength was John Hopkins, which they grew into a city onto itself. Cleveland focused on the Cleveland Clinic and built out medical roadshow and meeting infrastructure. St. Louis took a long-game approach with CORTEX, which I believe was originally far more medical in nature with companies like Stereotaxis leading the charge.

In this time, for complex reasons beyond my complete understanding, BJC grew into a behemoth. It got denser, prettier, and more transit-friendly. It connected better to allied institutions like SLCOP, Goldfarb, and Shriner's. It certainly pushed hard into neighborhoods in the CWE and the Grove and encouraged denser housing there.

In the same period of time, SLU built only a few buildings but managed to erase a vast area of the Gate District and pretty much the whole Tiffany neighborhood.

Enough time has passed for the St. Louis community to have the hindsight to see why one of our area hospitals did very well and the other did almost nothing.

Here's a list of differences that I see. I wonder if you guys might agree, disagree, or expand on them.

1) WUSTL has a bigger endowment than SLU and far more capital to expend.

2) WUSTL has undeniable assets to build off of like a college of pharmacy and an incredible medical library. SLU does not.

3) WUSTL buys land as needed and immediately fills it with huge buildings even if it is on the other side of property owned by someone else. SLU buys land without obvious reason, clears it, and sits on it. This has allowed the area around BJC to become a hot development area while most of the central Grand corridor is a wasteland. WUSTL maintains what it has and the nearby neighborhoods provide for themselves. SLU employs an army of lawn mowers and maintains the emptiness. Ultimately WUSTL takes the concept of a campus more loosely than SLU does. One is a core focus area and the other is a fortress.

4) BJC has proven to be a strong partner for WUSTL because it is place-based at its headquarters in the CWE. BJC wants a flagship hospital. Ascension and other SLU partners in contrast are much more wide-ranging suburban entities. SLU has lacked a hospital operator with a strong development vision.

5) Public transit and an urban feel attracts better talent to WUSTL. SLU distances itself from Metro while WUSTL pays into the upass program and pays metro for operating shuttles. This has made WUSTL build out an experience that prioritizes walking. SLU in contrast is entirely car dominated. Likewise abundant housing in walking distance to the hospital allows all sorts of doctors to walk or bike to work. Restaurants nearby allow hospital workers to take their lunch breaks in more pleasant locations.

6) Anecdotally, it seems like WUSTL has concentrated on the post-doc experience. Post-docs are smart people in their late 20s and early 30s lured into St. Louis for temporary appointments. They're hungry and urban. If they like St. Louis, they fight desperately to find ways to stay. Some start companies. Others furiously bid for more post-doc jobs. Others write huge grants to keep themselves afloat. This group is where the passion and yearning for growth takes place, and WUSTL has harnessed it. SLU graduates, it seems, apply for post-docs elsewhere.


Would SLU be huge if WUSTL did not exist? Is it not possible to have two mega hospitals in one city? Does one leech off the other?

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PostMay 19, 2016#2

I think the biggest explanations for the differences rely on a few factors.

1. Major, major differences in medical schools- WUSTL's med school is a national powerhouse. It's consistantly ranked in the top 8 in the country for research, while SLU is tied for 63rd. This brings in major differences in research funds and prestige- while the medical schools are relatively similar in size, the number of labs at WUSTL is much, much larger and adding the graduate students and post docs to this greatly increases the impact they can have. The best example of this is NIH funds- WUSTL in FY 2014 brought in 314 million dollars of money to fund research and operating expenses (8th most) , while SLU ranked 208th with 16 million. This is a massive influx of cash, some of which is allocated for building/construction.

2. Major, major differences in hospitals- Barnes Jewish and St. Louis Childrens are some of the top hospitals in the country, often ranked in the top 10. They are tertiary care centers that attract patients from all over the country and the world for their specialists. While SLU has some specialists, it's reach is at best regional. The other major difference is management. SLU has been managed by the for profit Tenant which has let the campus languish in its system while Barnes is the flagship of its corporation. This may change with the ownership by SSM and the desire to make it their flagship hospital.

3. Neighborhood- While WUSTL is in the CWE which is dominated by high end apartments and mansions, SLU is in the Tiffany neighborhood which is much more working class and has vastly different housing stock. While SLU has clearly done a poor job in stewarding its area, it's an apples and oranges comparison to look at what they had to deal with.

Without WUSTL, yes, SLU would probably be larger given the need for an academic medical center in a major city like STL. Whether it would've reached the heights of WUSTL is questionable.

I still think one of the biggest failures in recent times was Tenet's management of SLU hospital. The campus has languished while hospitals and medical schools all over the country took advantage of soaring profits and a glut of research money to build build build. Look at any major hospital center around the country and you'll see massive development in the past 20 years, while SLU has been effectively stagnant (with the exception of the Doisy building)

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PostMay 19, 2016#3

I wonder how much of a role Biondi had (and maybe continues to have) in holding back SLU's medical school. How much has campus politics effected the hospital, or has it pretty much stood on it's own?

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/educ ... c866a.html

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PostMay 19, 2016#4

I think with or without Biondi you have to also factor in the fact that SLU MED is part of a Jesuit school first and foremost where WUSTL Med is as secular as you can get.

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PostMay 20, 2016#5

The sale to Tenet was a disaster for the hospital, and it was Biondi's call. So he had a lot to do with its stagnation.

The fact that it's Jesuit seems immaterial. It would have done better under the Jesuit's than it did under the secular Tenet board and management.

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PostAug 30, 2018#6

Good news. Rex Sinquefield has donated $50 million to SLU. Most of the money is expected to be used as part of a long-range plan to increase SLU's standing as a research institute.

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 90ede.html

PostOct 05, 2020#7

A former prof at the Wash U school of medicine is the co-winner of this year's Nobel Prize for work he did while at the school.

https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/nobel-a ... -medicine/

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PostOct 05, 2020#8

^ Not sure if it counts since it was a joint award, but does that make 26 Nobel laureates who have done significant research at the school now?

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PostOct 05, 2020#9

"Rice is the 19th scientist associated with Washington University School of Medicine to be honored with a Nobel Prize. Across Washington University, 25 current or former faculty members or trainees have received a Nobel."

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PostOct 06, 2020#10

^ Thanks. I guess I probably should have read the press release lol.