Sitdown and drive-thru restaurant at 4320 Hampton

stlhistory · PostApr 24, 2015#12015-04-24T02:09+00:00

Project Type: New Const.
Application Number: 518845
Application Date: 12/08/2014
Structure Type: Commercial
Estimated Costs: $900,000.00
Contractor:
Application Description: CONSTRUCT SIT DOWN/CARRYOUT REST W/DRIVE THRU (ZONING ONLY)

Former site of Coldwell Banker Gundaker, which has since relocated across the street to BoA building. Extant building has a rezoning sign at curb and what looks like demo work. Obviously fast food, but haven't heard what. There's a Subway, Jimmy John's, Burger King, Dairy Queen, McDonalds, Qdoba, Starbucks, Taco Bell, Jack in the Box, and White Castle within one mile or so. Hardee's, Wendy's, Sonic, and Long John Silver's are within 2 miles.

Chipotle, maybe? Also it makes me feel dead inside that there are so many fast food chains within that radius.

kbshapiro · PostApr 24, 2015#22015-04-24T04:15+00:00

It's a Raising Cane's. They outbid Chick Fil A for the site

Ebsy · PostApr 24, 2015#32015-04-24T04:39+00:00

Just what we need.

jstriebel · PostApr 24, 2015#42015-04-24T04:44+00:00

Raising Cane's is pretty great for what it is.

And that area is what it is—not exactly the best example of urbanity.

So I can't complain too much. In fact, I'll probably enjoy it every once in a while.

robertn42 · PostApr 24, 2015#52015-04-24T14:43+00:00

"Cluck, Cluck, spend a buck"...

I would really like to see a real (original) restaurant in the old Giancarlos space since the Tenacious Eats deal fell apart. Right now I walk to Macklind for almost anything food related in the area.

moorlander · PostApr 24, 2015#62015-04-24T15:37+00:00

jstriebel wrote:Raising Cane's is pretty great for what it is.

Agreed. it is good.

dweebe · PostApr 24, 2015#72015-04-24T16:59+00:00

kbshapiro wrote:It's a Raising Cane's. They outbid Chick Fil A for the site

*sigh* But as soon as Coldwell Banker left I figured something chainish would end up there and Chick Fil A was on my short list as a guess.

dbInSouthCity · PostApr 29, 2015#82015-04-29T13:34+00:00

from SoHA Neighborhood association:

Just so everyone knows we've been working with Raising Cane's and the residents on Sutherland for two months to come up with the best possible site plan, building design, lowest impact, etc. They are a very charitable business, active in the community similar to Noodles in corporate model. Business founded on LSU campus. More info here:
http://www.raisingcanes.com/our-philosophy

Presbyterian · PostApr 29, 2015#92015-04-29T15:36+00:00

I had heard that CB2 was interested in Hampton Village, but that there was opposition from the neighborhood or alderman because of traffic or parking. I hope this isn't the case. It would be crazy, if true. Anyone able to confirm or deny the rumor?

dbInSouthCity · PostApr 29, 2015#102015-04-29T15:42+00:00

haven't heard it being brought up in the last 2 years since ive lived in southampton...where would it go in Hampton Village, i dont know if there is space that's empty for that type of store, unless they planned to build on the parking lot...there is plenty of space for that...

RC- raising canes proposed spot
M- McDonalds
red box- if i had my way, new retail would build there to enclose HV

south compton · PostApr 29, 2015#112015-04-29T16:04+00:00

Presbyterian wrote:I had heard that CB2 was interested in Hampton Village, but that there was opposition from the neighborhood or alderman because of traffic or parking. I hope this isn't the case. It would be crazy, if true. Anyone able to confirm or deny the rumor?

I hadn't heard that. But I have heard that the JC Penney lease is expiring soon so maybe it would go in that anchor spot.

Presbyterian · PostApr 30, 2015#122015-04-30T01:05+00:00

I've heard they can't wait to get rid of JC Penney.

roger wyoming II · PostApr 30, 2015#132015-04-30T01:09+00:00

Presbyterian wrote:I had heard that CB2 was interested in Hampton Village, but that there was opposition from the neighborhood or alderman because of traffic or parking. I hope this isn't the case. It would be crazy, if true. Anyone able to confirm or deny the rumor?

CB2.... the Crate & Barrel furniture place?

stlhistory · PostApr 30, 2015#142015-04-30T01:43+00:00

I think the street side of HV had a development at one point, maybe a National or something.

kbshapiro · PostApr 30, 2015#152015-04-30T13:19+00:00

If CB2 wants in HV, you do everything you can to make that deal. Great use for the area and center.

Why would residents be concerned with traffic from a furniture store?

moorlander · PostApr 30, 2015#162015-04-30T13:33+00:00

kbshapiro wrote:If CB2 wants in HV, you do everything you can to make that deal. Great use for the area and center.

Why would residents be concerned with traffic from a furniture store?

I can't think of any unless it was proposed for the back/east side along Sulphur ave?

dbInSouthCity · PostApr 30, 2015#172015-04-30T13:38+00:00

moorlander wrote:
kbshapiro wrote:If CB2 wants in HV, you do everything you can to make that deal. Great use for the area and center.

Why would residents be concerned with traffic from a furniture store?
I can't think of any unless it was proposed for the back/east side along Sulphur ave?

doubt it would be located there....there is no store front really.

moorlander · PostApr 30, 2015#182015-04-30T13:43+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote:
moorlander wrote:
kbshapiro wrote:If CB2 wants in HV, you do everything you can to make that deal. Great use for the area and center.

Why would residents be concerned with traffic from a furniture store?
I can't think of any unless it was proposed for the back/east side along Sulphur ave?
doubt it would be located there....there is no store front really.

Right, but it's not uncommon to made changes to accommodate a national retailer. I know the back side is not the prominent location CB2 requires so I made the statement just to prove how ludicrous the traffic complaints are.

PostApr 30, 2015#192015-04-30T13:45+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote:
moorlander wrote:
kbshapiro wrote:If CB2 wants in HV, you do everything you can to make that deal. Great use for the area and center.

Why would residents be concerned with traffic from a furniture store?
I can't think of any unless it was proposed for the back/east side along Sulphur ave?
doubt it would be located there....there is no store front really.

Right, but it's not uncommon to made changes to accommodate a national retailer. I know the back side is not the prominent location CB2 requires - just to pointing out how ludicrous the traffic complaints are.

dbInSouthCity · PostMay 01, 2015#202015-05-01T13:42+00:00

From SoHA Neighborhood Association President;

The existing building is actually concrete block. The new building would be smaller, all masonry. Traffic signal and turns are to be reworked on Hampton/Bancroft so even after the restaurant traffic backup should be improved over today. They're also installing a "scrubber" to control odor. We reviewed the specs and they've been used in resorts with good results. They've also agreed to install all native landscaping which should help the pollinators in the area and they also pay above minimum wage. Thought everyone would want to know.

urban_dilettante · PostMay 01, 2015#212015-05-01T16:26+00:00

huh… corner lot adjacent to a department store, a grocery store, and a library. perfect spot for mixed-use residentia… er, i mean another fast food stand. way to go, South Hampton.

oh, and i wonder if "all native landscaping" means parking lots. doesn't get much more native to St. Louis than parking lots.

dbInSouthCity · PostMay 01, 2015#222015-05-01T20:58+00:00

Anything but a single family house would look out of place there. There is a 22 unit school to loft conversion 4 blocks east of there at Brannon

moorlander · PostMay 01, 2015#232015-05-01T21:09+00:00

here is the Des Peres one for comparison.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.602818, ... CpMF3w!2e0

urban_dilettante · PostMay 02, 2015#242015-05-02T15:57+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote:Anything but a single family house would look out of place there. There is a 22 unit school to loft conversion 4 blocks east of there at Brannon

nonsense. a building similar in size to the library—right next door to the library—would not look out of place. and if being bigger than a single family house looks out of place, that would mean the school-to-loft conversion you just mentioned must look out of place as well. at some point you have to build things a little bigger than single-family houses and fast food shacks if you want to add density. that's just how it works.

roger wyoming II · PostMay 03, 2015#252015-05-03T15:13+00:00

dbInSouthCity wrote:Anything but a single family house would look out of place there. There is a 22 unit school to loft conversion 4 blocks east of there at Brannon

You make it seem like the Brannon project is just around the corner... it's a mile away and well off Hampton.