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PostDec 20, 2005#51

I'm 100% certain the developer will push to tear them all down. I firmly believe we have a one-time chance here to create a truly unique setting of condos in the old church, rectory and convent with new construction on the balance of the 2+ acre site.



I'm still very concerned about the future of this church. I'm also concerned about others.



A poster on my site today linked to one of the two companies selling the church properties. http://www.lmwash.com/listings.htm I had meant to look up the listing earlier but hadn't done so. From this link you can find the churches along with PDF flyers describing each. What you can also find is the contract supplement which does list deed restrictions.



What is interesting is that as long as the buildings remain standing the land cannot be used for abortions, massages, tattoos, pubs serving alchohol and such. But once the buildings are razed, those deed restrictions are no longer enforcable.

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PostDec 20, 2005#52

There's nothing worse for a neighborhood than an abortion clinic that sells porn and administers tattoos. :)

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PostDec 20, 2005#53

DeBaliviere wrote:There's nothing worse for a neighborhood than an abortion clinic that sells porn and administers tattoos. :)


I wasn't going to be the first to comment on that but since you've started...



The way the deed restriction is written, these uses are not permitted on the grounds unless the Archdiocese gives written permission OR the buildings have been razed. Once torn down someone could, pending zoning approval, open get a tattoo while you wait for your abortion clinic. But hopefully zoning wouldn't approve such an enterprise.



Oddly they don't exclude body piercing. An oversight?

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PostDec 20, 2005#54

Especially if they were to name it St Aloycious' Porn-tastic Abortion Emporium and Tattoo Tavern (They'll probably try to sell alcohol as well). I'm worried that might just happen and that's why I support tearing down not only the church but also the entire neighborhood around it so nothing will taint the memory of the former church.

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mcarril wrote:Especially if they were to name it St Aloycious' Porn-tastic Abortion Emporium and Tattoo Tavern (They'll probably try to sell alcohol as well). I'm worried that might just happen and that's why I support tearing down not only the church but also the entire neighborhood around it so nothing will taint the memory of the former church.


:lol:



The irony is the best way to protect the neighborhood from unwanted uses is to keep the buildings intact. Only by keeping the church buildings intact will the deed restrictions remain in place. Raze the buildings you lose the restrictions on use.

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PostDec 20, 2005#56

That is pretty funny. If they are so concerned about the future uses of the site, why are they so quick to tear the church down, the only real insurance against those uses?

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PostDec 20, 2005#57

Seems as if there is some precident for these reuse issues:

http://www.denverpost.com/bars/ci_0001241642

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PostDec 20, 2005#58

I believe it's spelt St. Alouicious Porn-tastic Abortion Emporium and Tattoo Tavern.

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PostDec 20, 2005#59

That's how they are going to get around the name restricition! The engineer is in on the deal!

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MattnSTL wrote:I believe it's spelt St. Alouicious Porn-tastic Abortion Emporium and Tattoo Tavern.


Very funny! I love it that their own engineer didn't spell the name right even though it is in big letters on the front of the church.



I looked up the deed today at the Recorder of Deeds office and guess what, no restriction requiring the buildings being razed. I've uploaded it to my site.



Link to post: http://www.urbanreviewstl.com/archives/000370.php

Direct link to PDF of deed: http://www.urbanreviewstl.com//deed.PDF

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PostDec 20, 2005#61

Good work as always. That restriction did seem very suspect. The saga goes on.

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PostJan 04, 2006#62

Developer to appeal decision on St. Aloysius

Shawn Clubb

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Southwest City Journal

01/04/2006



A developer who plans to build new homes at the site of St. Aloysius Gonzaga says he will appeal a decision keeping him from tearing down the church.



Meanwhile, there is an effort underway to gauge whether neighbors of the church want it preserved.



James Wohlert of Wohlert Company LLC plans to demolish the remaining buildings on the site at 2645 Pearl Ave. and build 22 to 24 single-family homes. However, the city's Preservation Review Board recently voted to deny the demolition permits for the church, rectory, convent and gymnasium.



"I'm planning on appealing and exploring our options," Wohlert said. "I plan on moving forward and working with the city."



Joe Vollmer, alderman for the 10th ward, said appeal is one option, but he could also have the property taken out of the Preservation Review District.



Vollmer said another option would be to find out who opposes the demolition and why they oppose it and then discuss it. He said the preservation review hearing was the first place he had heard opposition to the project.



Dana Gray, executive director of the Southwest Garden Neighborhood Association, said 2,500 households were given advanced notice of the project before the last general meeting of the association. She said no one voiced opposition to the project.



Vollmer said he also heard no opposition from people living in The Hill neighborhood.



"Everyone is pretty much set on it being razed," Vollmer said. "No one is saying lets save this building."



However, Gray said her association has sent out a letter to nearby neighbors of the church asking them for feedback on the project to ensure that it has accurately gauged public opinion on the project. The letter said it would be discussed at the association's next board meeting at 7 p.m. Jan. 9 at 4950 Southwest Ave.



Steve Patterson, who writes the blog "Urban Review ? St. Louis," advocated saving the buildings at the hearing. He said people from the neighborhood have now been contacting him to say they want to save the church building.



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PostJan 04, 2006#63

It really goes without saying, but I hope St. Aloysius is saved. If the developer gets his way, I hope at least someone with a little clout insists the design of the homes have a more urban and appealing look to them and construct accordingly. Judging from the existing house, which already looks like a ramshakle, the entire project could turn out looking like this piece of crap.

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PostJan 04, 2006#64

After driving through this neighborhood the other day, I think there is no development plan that would suit the site other than rehab of the current buildings. I could see the school being razed for a few homes, but the rest of the structures look great, and seem to fit with the neighborhood.

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PostJan 05, 2006#65

I liked how the article showed both sides and then closed the article allowing Steve Patterson to get the last word. :D

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PostJan 11, 2006#66

I moved to the city to escape the suburban wasteland... now it is following me! Too bad I was not a resident when the meeting occured, because I would have protested this development.

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PostFeb 02, 2006#67

St. Aloysiuos is receiving attention by the National Trust: http://www.nationaltrust.org/Magazine/a ... 020106.htm

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PostFeb 02, 2006#68

The National Trust backed the demolition of the Century. So, preservation interests shouldn't get too excited.

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PostFeb 02, 2006#69

Oh gosh! Didn't National Trust restore its name when it put blame on a business group and the City's urgence for a quick deal? This was another thread and not one worth repeating. Maybe this time the National Trust will have more influence and the City works with them.

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PostFeb 07, 2006#70

The National Trust knows it's in hot water over the Century. They're just trying to save face. Reguardless of what they say, why in blazes didn't they come to town to at least LOOK at the OPO area and do a little bit of looking around and do some research on their own...had they, it would have been plain as the nose on their faces that the Century need not be torn down. Are they too lazy to come to an area in question to investigate? Why did they ignore all the letters of protest? What kind of an organization would do such appaulingly poor investigation? If Mr. Moe's and the National Trust's reputation is ruined over this, they deserve EXACTLY what they get, and I have absolutely no empithy with them or any one invovled with the Century's demise. This truley is "the crime of the Century".

Sorry, had to spout off on this one. This is STILL a big thorn in my side.

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PostFeb 08, 2006#71

stlpcsolutions wrote:I moved to the city to escape the suburban wasteland... now it is following me! Too bad I was not a resident when the meeting occured, because I would have protested this development.


That's precisely how I feel about this development, Loughborough Commons, Southtown Center, etc.



If I valued developments like these instead of historic preservation and/or New Urbanism construction, I could've stayed in South County, which is littered with nondescript garbage like the aforementioned places.



It's hard to say what the future holds for Saint Al's. I'm not exactly sanguine given our city's recent history, and what I consider to be utter betrayal from the National Trust, the very group that's supposed to work to preserve historic structures.



I like to think somewhere along the way we (as a community) will learn some lessons from our mistakes, but I'm beginning to wonder when that day will come, if ever.

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PostMar 08, 2006#72

Aldermen approve demolition of church

Jim Merkel

Of the Suburban Journals

Southwest City Journal

03/08/2006



Ignoring the wishes of a city board, the Board of Aldermen has approved legislation that would allow the demolition of the vacant St. Aloysius Gonzaga Catholic Church.



The city Preservation Board voted Dec. 19 to deny a demolition permit for the church, hall, rectory and convent. But a bill presenting a redevelopment plan and blighting study passed by the Board of Aldermen Friday would supercede the Preservation Board's decision and allow a developer to be issued demolition permits.



"The enactment of this would allow for the development," Don Roe, deputy director of planning and urban design for the city, told the city Planning Commission March 1. The Planning Commission then approved the plan, which was required before the full board of aldermen could pass the bill.



Wohlert Company LLC plans to build a $7.25 million residential development with 25 houses on the 2.1-acre site, which is bounded by North Magnolia Avenue, Pearl Avenue, South Magnolia Avenue and January Avenue.



The houses would sell for $199,000 to $285,000.



The Archdiocese of St. Louis closed the church last year and sold the complex to Wohlert.



Roe said the development is consistent with the existing neighborhood of single-family houses.

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yay for suburbia in the city :roll:



New residential developments rise in neighborhood near the Hill

By Kathie Sutin

SPECIAL TO THE POST-DISPATCH

03/23/2006



Prospective house buyers looking for close-in options soon will find two new possibilities in the Southwest Gardens neighborhood, adjacent to the Hill.



Developer James T. Wohlert is tearing down the former St. Aloysius church, school, convent, gymnasium and rectory and will replace them with single-family, detached houses. He bought the property last year when the St. Louis Archdiocese closed and sold several properties.



The new development, Magnolia Square in the 5600 block of Magnolia Avenue, has 25 lots, Wohlert said.



Wohlert co-owns Wohlert Co. and also is co-owner of DiMartino Homes, which will build most of the houses.



Crews demolished the school and a boiler building earlier this year. Demolition of the other buildings will begin as soon as permits are approved, Wohlert said, with construction starting after that.



Critics of the project wanted to save the historic church, but Wohlert said the front third of the building was sinking. He said the archdiocese had tried to repair the structure, but "it kept moving on them."



Alderman Joe Vollmer, D-10th Ward, helped Wohlert win approval for the project. He said Wohlert had the only viable plan, and even former members of the parish didn't want the church buildings used as living quarters, a restaurant or a recreation hall. There also were fears the buildings could stand empty and become eyesores, he said.



Tax abatement is an added incentive for buyers in Magnolia Square, Wohlert said. For 10 years, owners will pay taxes on the land only, not the improvements, he said.





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PostMar 28, 2006#74

The least the developer could do is change the design of the crap housing. This is a disgusting loss for the city.

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PostMar 28, 2006#75

Suburban housing is going to continue to invade our city unless we stand up to Aldermen who either have no taste, or only serve the interest of the developers.

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