IIRC that building is on the edge of the neighborhood across from a school and the sidewalk is all broken and overgrown so probably not too many people would be against. Probably way more parking issues created by the gardens anyway.
Similar conditions at Delmar and Skinker, but the NIMBYs howled anyways. I'm just a little bitter.
NIMBY speak: "But there's already nowhere to park due to the MBG! These apartments are just going to make things worse!"
What are the odds they'll pave that side garden for a parking lot?
What are the odds they'll pave that side garden for a parking lot?
Is the church building part of the project or is it just the building on the left?
Anyone a part of the Shaw FB group? I hear the NIMBYs are frothing.
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I'm on the page. One or two loud NIMBYs in the comments being met with thoughful rejoinders. But, most are excited for this including myself.quincunx wrote: ↑Jun 26, 2024Anyone a part of the Shaw FB group? I hear the NIMBYs are frothing.
The following copy/pasted from a commenter who reached out the alder:
I got a really helpful response back from Alder Velazquez. I'll share here for info since it answers some items mentioned I these comments.
"Thank you for reaching out regarding the Mount Olive development and for your support of the project. As an FYI, I briefly touched on this topic at the last SNIA meeting; it’s in the minutes.
A few notes about the project, which is still under development:
The project includes 3 parcels: Mt. Olive School, Mt. Olive Church and an open lot owned by CDA.
This is important because CDA lots are HUD-backed, which means that anything built on it has to be affordable housing or else the developer has to purchase the lot at full price from the city.
The proposed project will have 18-20 apartment one and two-bedroom units, four of which will be affordable housing and the remainder market rate. Short-term rentals have not been proposed for this site.
The developer will have a permanent leasing office on site and maintain a presence at the property.
Off street parking would be added behind the building, in addition to one accessible spot on the street to accommodate the accessible unit.
These are notes I have from a meeting last month with the St. Louis-based developer. He is out of town this week, so I’m waiting to confirm if anything changed from our discussion in May.
Some additional answers to your questions below in blue.
Additional: As the project is not finalized at this time, no decision about incentives have been made, nor have any incentives been officially offered. The financing of this project is all private capital, i.e., no CDA NOFA funds, etc.
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...while we're in the area... the Paul Kohl Memorial Garden sure would be a great spot for some tax producing development. Owned by the MO Botanical Gardens so its not generating any taxes currently. Surely an exhibit inside the memorial garden would be a more fitting tribute.
1817-1831 Tower Grove Ave, St. Louis, MO 63110
1817-1831 Tower Grove Ave, St. Louis, MO 63110
Is there actually a memorial in there? Hard to see from Streetview.
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^There is a wooden sign noting the memorial, and technically there really isn't any garden either.
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^ Not too bad. Like that it's brick all the way around.
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Looks like siding in the back.Trololzilla wrote:^ Not too bad. Like that it's brick all the way around.
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Yes, but siding color semi-disguises this. Should be a requirement on such builds (most new brick homes in city).Miss Shell wrote: ↑Feb 16, 2025Looks like siding in the back.Trololzilla wrote:^ Not too bad. Like that it's brick all the way around.
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So depending on the size of this, and say you can build it for $450k, why not make it a 4-family? It looks like it could be one if you altered it slightly. I know the cost would probably go up because of 4 kitchens, 4 bathrooms, 4 separate electric hookups.
$1.1M building permit issued to convert to 17 apartments.quincunx wrote: ↑Jun 23, 2024$1.5M zoning-only building permit application submitted to convert 4242-46 Shaw into 20 apartments. Are Shaw NIMBYs as powerful as TGS NIMBYs?
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$0 zoning-only building permit application submitted for a greenhouse at 3966-68 Detontyquincunx wrote: ↑Apr 23, 2022$3.25M zoning-only building permit application submitted for The Green House Project.
The Green House Venture 3966 DeTonty Rendering.jpg
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jfc, whatever ends up occupying the adjacent building absolutely does not need this sea of parking. this is an ideal spot for multifamily. this city needs parking reform so ***** bad. tax the ***** out of it.
That is a killer spot for infill apartments.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Aug 09, 2025jfc, whatever ends up occupying the adjacent building absolutely does not need this sea of parking. this is an ideal spot for multifamily. this city needs parking reform so ***** bad. tax the ***** out of it.
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I'm so confused by that Tower Grove Baptist Church/School (in Shaw) post. Is it closing or something?
Update: I see the school is being re-named to City Christian Academy. The parcel also is tax exempt.
Update: I see the school is being re-named to City Christian Academy. The parcel also is tax exempt.
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^This one reminds me of another one that is really close by that is screaming for apartments.
The Paul Kohl Memorial Garden at 1817-1831 Tower Grove Ave, St. Louis, MO 63110 owned by the Botanical Gardens
Move that Memorial into the Botanical Gardens where it can be a real tribute and build a nice big apartment complex at that corner. Also property is exempt from taxes...
The Paul Kohl Memorial Garden at 1817-1831 Tower Grove Ave, St. Louis, MO 63110 owned by the Botanical Gardens
Move that Memorial into the Botanical Gardens where it can be a real tribute and build a nice big apartment complex at that corner. Also property is exempt from taxes...
"Green House Venture Breaks Ground on Urban Agriculture Education Center"
"The nonprofit Green House Venture broke ground today on the construction of a new 9,500 square-foot Education Center at 3966-3968 DeTonty Street in St. Louis that will provide innovative urban agriculture, bioscience, nutrition and dietetics learning opportunities for hundreds of 4th – 8th grade students at four nearby schools, with plans to eventually expand to other schools across the region.
The new Education Center is located across the street from GHV’s recently completed 3.7-acre outdoor food production area known as the Embankment Greenway along Interstate 44 and represents the final phase of GHV’s campus development."
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"The nonprofit Green House Venture broke ground today on the construction of a new 9,500 square-foot Education Center at 3966-3968 DeTonty Street in St. Louis that will provide innovative urban agriculture, bioscience, nutrition and dietetics learning opportunities for hundreds of 4th – 8th grade students at four nearby schools, with plans to eventually expand to other schools across the region.
The new Education Center is located across the street from GHV’s recently completed 3.7-acre outdoor food production area known as the Embankment Greenway along Interstate 44 and represents the final phase of GHV’s campus development."
https://constructforstl.org/green-house ... on-center/
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Took them long enough. I swear it’s been planned since I was like 10 or 11.