Does anyone here know anything about what would be involved in designing/installing a dog run on an existing rooftop community deck area? I know the Marquette is going going to have one, but I'm thinking some other buildings downtown might see a benefit in increased property values if they listed a rooftop dog run among their amenities. The downtown overall would also benefit by replacing a large number of tar covered roofs with grass covered ones. I was trying to come up with a ballpark figure before I approached my condo board. I know I asked this before, but I haven't heard anything. Just thought I'd give it another shot.



Animal

bikin'_man wrote:well, weather it's a dog park or not, a green roof will most definatly benifit the building. not only reducing heat with in the building during the summer, but it helps hold in heat during the winter, it has an increadible insulation value. chicago got the right idea when they put a green roof on city hall. it has since then caught on to countless others in the city. it just makes sense. not a hippie thing.

It also significantly extends the life of the roof - I can't believe we don't have any/more of them here.

At the last walk thru the Ventana, they were thinking of having a small rooftop area (away from the rooftop pool) as a dog park.



I personally do not like that idea. I am not convinced people will cleaup after their dogs. I have seen the absolute filth behind Knickerbocker. People are not cleaning up the mess.



I would rather that the city makes designated Dog parks.

bsharmastl wrote:At the last walk thru the Ventana, they were thinking of having a small rooftop area (away from the rooftop pool) as a dog park.



I personally do not like that idea. I am not convinced people will cleaup after their dogs. I have seen the absolute filth behind Knickerbocker. People are not cleaning up the mess.

I would rather that the city makes designated Dog parks.

That area is a disaster.



Dog parks are great and people police themselves pretty hard core. I have a buddy who got ostracized from the U City dogpark.



In my neighborhood there's a b*tch who has an Irish Woofhound that cr*ps are huge and she never cleans up after it. Even when it cr*ps on the sidewalk.

Dog park on a roof... interesting vision.



Wouldn't that make for some, um, risky games of "fetch"? Could bring new truth to the expression "raining cats & dogs."



Also, is it really a public park if its on the rooftop of a private building? I mean how would it be accessible to everyone without having the public pass through private property, ie the lobby/stairwells/hallways?

bsharmastl wrote:I have seen the absolute filth behind Knickerbocker. People are not cleaning up the mess.

Are you sure it's not human?

212 wrote:Also, is it really a public park if its on the rooftop of a private building? I mean how would it be accessible to everyone without having the public pass through private property, ie the lobby/stairwells/hallways?

It would be a private dog park. We have one too. Residents have been policing themselves very well from what I've seen. I say go for it Animal!

DeBaliviere wrote:

bsharmastl wrote:I have seen the absolute filth behind Knickerbocker. People are not cleaning up the mess.

Are you sure it's not human?

Groan.............



No.... I have never felt the urge to have the samples tested



Seriously though, I have seen several people walk their dogs in that area. I have never caught anyone in the act of "looking the other way" while the pets are doing what they need, but am sure it happens. It better NOT be human

DeBaliviere wrote:

bsharmastl wrote:I have seen the absolute filth behind Knickerbocker. People are not cleaning up the mess.

Are you sure it's not human?

Sadly, true.

TheWayoftheArch wrote:

bsharmastl wrote:At the last walk thru the Ventana, they were thinking of having a small rooftop area (away from the rooftop pool) as a dog park.



I personally do not like that idea. I am not convinced people will cleaup after their dogs. I have seen the absolute filth behind Knickerbocker. People are not cleaning up the mess.



I would rather that the city makes designated Dog parks.

I think private dogparks are much more likely to be clean than a public space. Either the residents will hold one another accountable (and you have the ABILITY to hold somone accountable) or they will include cleanup with their management agreement.



I use Lucas Park and always use a grocery bag to pick up after my dog. I am not scared to stare someone down if they do not. They usually just put their head down and walk away, or act as if I'm not looking at them. I would generalize that it is the renters from Rudman that don't really pick up. I just feel like they have less of a stake in the neighborhood. Could be wrong, but don't know. What I do know is that their are a couple of very large dogs that don't live in my building that leave piles like horses that are never cleaned up.



Alos, the trash/food debris from the homeless probably give people the impression they don't have to clean up. What I would tell them is that stepping on a bagel or bottle is much better than dog #%$*.

What "ability" do we have, apart from Calling the cops for littering (or is that what you were referring to?)



Staring at idiots who do not clean after their dogs does not help. I have tried that too, and only once did someone actually acknoledge that they forgot the doggy bag (and actually did come back and pick it up). Apart from that once, they just walk away.



What I think we should do is hire a homeless man to take a spade, and every time someone leaves th "gift" behind, he should pick it up with the spade, follow the person to his place, and re-gift it back right on the front door.

bsharmastl wrote:What "ability" do we have, apart from Calling the cops for littering (or is that what you were referring to?)

He's referring to private dog parks, and if it got to be a huge problem your HOA could fine. That's your "ability".

Urban Elitist wrote:

bsharmastl wrote:What "ability" do we have, apart from Calling the cops for littering (or is that what you were referring to?)

He's referring to private dog parks, and if it got to be a huge problem your HOA could fine. That's your "ability".

OK. As a citizen, what is my ability to counter someone who is not cleaning up after their dogs in a "public" place?

Can I call the cops (I assume local cops)? Will they come to arrest the guy before or after they stop laughing at my call?

See my Gateway Mall Master Plan item on the Country's BEST DOG PARK.

Ok. Now for those of you who say you have a green dog area on your roof, could you comment about some of the technical aspects of it.... Who installed it? how much it cost your building/developer? etc, etc.



I am of the opinion that a private dog squatting area on your own building's roof would probably be cleaned better than a public park 6 blocks from your own building (the closest piece of grass to my building).

They are "going" or rather talking about installing a rooftop dog park at the Ventana. I will try to get details.

bsharmastl wrote:They are "going" or rather talking about installing a rooftop dog park at the Ventana. I will try to get details.

Thanks!! I'd like to sell one to my own condo board, but I need more info first. Basically, I just need an initial vector.

I left a message with the Ventana developers. Will let you know if I hear back.

We have another walkthru Nov 29. Will definitely get more details then if I don;t hear back before that.

A rooftop garden (that every tentant can use) is a better idea than a rooftop dog park (that only dog-owning tentants can use). The thought of dogs taking dumps on your roof is gross. What if Rover has to go so bad that his poop shoots over the ledge and descends down to a crowded sidewalk? I searched on Google, but I couldn't find a single example of what a rooftop dog park would be like.

bsharmastl wrote:I have seen the absolute filth behind Knickerbocker. People are not cleaning up the mess.

If dog owners don't clean up their dog doo at that park, then the homeless aren't going to want to hang out there.

unfortunately the homeless crap in the parks just like the dogs. I've seen it before, right next to the Veterans Memorial.

A rooftop garden (that every tentant can use) is a better idea than a rooftop dog park (that only dog-owning tentants can use). The thought of dogs taking dumps on your roof is gross. What if Rover has to go so bad that his poop shoots over the ledge and descends down to a crowded sidewalk?

ROTFLMFOA



Agreed - dogs are better as chinese food anyways

Resurrectus wrote: I searched on Google, but I couldn't find a single example of what a rooftop dog park would be like.

The Marquette is to have a rooftop dog park right here in St Louis. I found several buildings in California that have rooftop dog parks. I agree having a rooftop garden for everyone is good for the entire building... perhaps a section of that could be set aside for dog owners. There are just about as many dog owners as there are non-dog owners in my building. A small section of grass on the roof that is set aside for Lassie to loaf on is better than no grass on the roof and Lassie loafing in the alley outside the building. Dog loaf is gross no matter where it is... might as well turn my tar covered and heat producing roof into an oxygen producing green roof that is able to absorb some of the odors that would otherwise end up down at street level where non-residents might be walking around to see the progress we've made downtown.



I was just wondering if any of the urban develoupment experts located on this forum might know more about what how to implement a green roof/dog area. More specifically, how much a project might cost so I could start to talk it up in my building.

Resurrectus wrote: I searched on Google, but I couldn't find a single example of what a rooftop dog park would be like.

A little something here: http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/004721.html