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Post4:31 PM - 20 days ago#576

I'd like to take a moment to recognize 25 years of me and most other commenters on this forum for suggesting row house style infill to address the connective tissue problems in and around downtown.

Here's the 25 years of trying. Cheers.

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Post4:49 PM - 20 days ago#577

The problem remains as to how to get land speculators to sell at a price that's compatible with building rowhouses.

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Post5:10 PM - 20 days ago#578

quincunx wrote:
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The problem remains as to how to get land speculators to sell at a price that's compatible with building rowhouses.
The thing is who is landbanking these empty lots? What exactly are they waiting for? If downtown is not booming. I can't imagine they think their lots will exponentially explode in value. Sounds like we need an empty land or parking tax downtown, but I'd imagine our legislatures are too inept and cowardly to make it happen. Look at Alderman Aldridge folding instantly to the traffic calming measures.

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Post4:38 PM - 19 days ago#579

My idea is that, first, we need to get Choteau's Landing developed to make that part of the City not as "scary" as it currently is, both aesthetically as well as being home to a considerable population of homeless people. Once the Gateway South development, in whatever form it'll look like, gets under way and shows real change, then this area becomes much more attractive to whoever has been holding these properties. Then, sell to developers who can make apartment buildings that look like the Cupples buildings. The trick will be soundproofing amidst the elevated railways and 44/55, and I think that can be reasonably done if developments are coordinated... 

Calling myself out, we're going off topic here. And I'm still hopeful for the RX building getting developed sooner than later. 

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Post7:32 AM - 18 days ago#580

gone corporate wrote:My idea is that, first, we need to get Choteau's Landing developed to make that part of the City not as "scary" as it currently is, both aesthetically as well as being home to a considerable population of homeless people. Once the Gateway South development, in whatever form it'll look like, gets under way and shows real change, then this area becomes much more attractive to whoever has been holding these properties. Then, sell to developers who can make apartment buildings that look like the Cupples buildings. The trick will be soundproofing amidst the elevated railways and 44/55, and I think that can be reasonably done if developments are coordinated... 

Calling myself out, we're going off topic here. And I'm still hopeful for the RX building getting developed sooner than later. 
Certainly, big part of downtowns problem is what surrounds it - public housing/vacant land to its north, interstate to the east, interstate and parking lots to the south. To the west it is somewhat cohesive but has its vacant gaps, parking lots, wide roads, etc as well

It’s a little bit of an island

Think about how different the narrative about downtown would be if tourists and everyday visitors regularly walked to and from downtown to Soulard & Lafayette Sq which are much closer than people realize, and in a better designed city, these neighborhoods would be part of the greater downtown. But, the areas in between those places are not pleasant, active or designed for walking

Interstates were just so painfully bad carved through this city


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Post3:21 AM - 16 days ago#581

Didn't have time to get this ready by April 1, but here's a proposal to replace the RX garage.
Presenting Olivewood Estates - Luxury Single Family Homes in a Quiet, Tight-Knit Cul-De-Sac Community
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Post3:41 AM - 16 days ago#582

I think this is realistic
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Post5:57 AM - 15 days ago#583

^Agreed, that's definitely more realistic 😂  There are a few problems that I've been thinking about regarding a design like that with a big building on top of the garage, not your design in particular, but just that concept in general. 1, if the garage is meant to serve the Railway Exchange building and surrounding offices such as One Met Square, stacking an apartment building on top of the garage will increase the required size of the garage. 2, I haven't been watching the Downtown apartment market, but flooding the market with that many apartments at the same time that Railway and Chemical are hoping to be redeveloped into residential doesn't seem great. 3, the garage is still very visible and doesn't add much to the vibrancy of the area. 4, I know that smaller scale urban buildings are a wanted asset in Downtown to help repair the urban fabric and make it a more pedestrian-friendly environment, and having a giant building taking up this entire block obviously doesn't meet that goal.

So, this morning, I got the idea to do a sort-of Texas Donut, but surrounding the garage with smaller buildings around the scale of the existing Gill building. See the Plot Plan attached. I believe that this would solve several of the above problems: 1, the garage's capacity will be more available to serve bigger buildings as the occupants of smaller buildings should be able to park on the street for the most part. 2, this does not flood the market with new apartments while older buildings are waiting for redevelopment. 3, the garage is now hidden and the street now has pedestrian-oriented buildings facing it, increasing the vibrancy of the area. 4, this concept provides the smaller scale urban buildings that are much needed in Downtown and throughout the city. I also added a Pocket Park on 7th Street, which would be activated by the café next door.

Please, anyone feel free to make comments, questions, or suggestions on this idea. I really want to know your thoughts! Also, sorry for the amateurish graphics, I couldn't get AI to cooperate, so I drew everything in PowerPoint instead 😅
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Post2:19 PM - 15 days ago#584

Yes, if we could keep the Gill Building (&Gittos) by building more at that scale, I think it would be refreshing and productive for downtown

Whatever happens, we need to avoid another monstrous parking garage at that site. City needs to be creative by leveraging nearby garages and sites and just ensure that the development does not replicate the mistakes of the past, which was an entire block of parking garage surrounded by other parking garages.

I’m obviously fine with an underground garage or a way of putting parking in the middle of other development or even a podium building if they are able to save the smaller historic buildings and avoid creating dead space

Long way to go though and a long list of priorities. The certain solution that we know doesn’t work is more parking and more parking garages, that’s how we got in this situation in the first place


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Post4:21 PM - 15 days ago#585

Considering the LCRA still does not own Railway Exchange, and there's no indication of a timeline for even an RFP for the redevelopment of both sites let alone an approved proposal, design, and construction plan, and the demo of the garage years behind what was first proposed, we should be preparing for how long we will accept this as the reality downtown:
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Post4:25 PM - 15 days ago#586

^Yup

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Post4:35 PM - 15 days ago#587

kg2024 wrote:
4:21 PM - 15 days ago
Considering the LCRA still does not own Railway Exchange, and there's no indication of a timeline for even an RFP for the redevelopment of both sites let alone an approved proposal, design, and construction plan, and the demo of the garage years behind what was first proposed, we should be preparing for how long we will accept this as the reality downtown:
Perfect opportunity site for a temporary pocket park! Pocket Parks STL| Our Parks

Other uses: 
Dog Park
Food truck picnic corral
Recreational courts such as sand volleyball
Something fun like "Cherokee Beach"

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Post4:56 PM - 15 days ago#588

SRQ2STL wrote:
4:35 PM - 15 days ago
kg2024 wrote:
4:21 PM - 15 days ago
Considering the LCRA still does not own Railway Exchange, and there's no indication of a timeline for even an RFP for the redevelopment of both sites let alone an approved proposal, design, and construction plan, and the demo of the garage years behind what was first proposed, we should be preparing for how long we will accept this as the reality downtown:
Perfect opportunity site for a temporary pocket park! Pocket Parks STL| Our Parks

Other uses: 
Dog Park
Food truck picnic corral
Recreational courts such as sand volleyball
Something fun like "Cherokee Beach"
Yes! Something simple like this should be a part of the demo bid so that it doesn't become a fenced off pit for an indefinite amount of time. 
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Post6:51 PM - 15 days ago#589

Nothing wrong about that, I like the idea

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Post7:38 PM - 15 days ago#590

kg2024 wrote:
4:56 PM - 15 days ago
SRQ2STL wrote:
4:35 PM - 15 days ago
kg2024 wrote:
4:21 PM - 15 days ago
Considering the LCRA still does not own Railway Exchange, and there's no indication of a timeline for even an RFP for the redevelopment of both sites let alone an approved proposal, design, and construction plan, and the demo of the garage years behind what was first proposed, we should be preparing for how long we will accept this as the reality downtown:
Perfect opportunity site for a temporary pocket park! Pocket Parks STL| Our Parks

Other uses: 
Dog Park
Food truck picnic corral
Recreational courts such as sand volleyball
Something fun like "Cherokee Beach"
Yes! Something simple like this should be a part of the demo bid so that it doesn't become a fenced off pit for an indefinite amount of time. 
I'm telling you... we need a landscape designer + team on city staff that is pumping out projects like this... 

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Post9:34 PM - 15 days ago#591

Does anyone else think it would be a good idea to potentially split the parcels and sell to multiple interested developers so that it doesnt sit like that forever?

As mentioned in this thread, it might be a better fit to see development at the scale of the Gill Building here, rather than force this block to be a new mega project (or on the pessimistic side, another mega parking garage).

Shooting for multiple tasteful 3-10 story buildings fronting the streets may be a more viable and better plan for downtown than only going after a silver bullet or mega development


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Post9:38 PM - 15 days ago#592

^I agree with you, but there seems like a very ingrained preference against this at the level of the city and private developers. Like that option isn't even evaluated whether its the Millenium site, Ballpark Village, STL Centre, Cortex, etc.

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Post10:25 PM - 14 days ago#593

I strongly agree with @delmar2debaliviere2downtown here. STL has some "silver bullet" projects already in the works (Millennium, Jefferson Arms, Albion, etc.) and several that haven't made it to the starting line yet (AHM, AT&T, Railway, Chemical). While I admire and support all of these projects, I don't think that any one of them is going to magically solve all our problems. Looking back, other megaprojects like Pruitt-Igoe, the demo of Mill Creek Valley, and the extensive demolition Downtown to build parking have all caused much more harm than good. Not to say that all silver bullet megaprojects will inevitably end in failure, but just to say that they aren't in themselves the solution to every problem.

With regards to this site in particular, yes, a community space or park could work as a temporary solution, but also keep in mind that Downtown already has acres of underutilized green space in the Gateway Mall. I think splitting this lot into multiple parcels for smaller developments would be ideal, and we've got a unique opportunity here to recreate an urban environment similar in scale to the Gill Bldg. and other historic structures. 

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Post4:21 PM - 11 days ago#594

A downtown St. Louis resident got the shock of her life when she glanced out her window and saw something that stopped her cold.
There they were — teenagers. Not just inside the long-abandoned Railroad Exchange Building, but perched on top of it.
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Post4:23 PM - 11 days ago#595

Please let this building make it to its future…we obviously don’t know how to secure it


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Post5:57 PM - 11 days ago#596

Opportunity Zones Under OBBBA: What Advisors and Investors Need to Know
Opportunity Zones (OZs) have quietly become one of the most powerful and misunderstood tools in the tax and investment landscape. Originally introduced in 2017 to spur economic development in underserved communities, the program offers investors meaningful tax incentives in exchange for deploying capital into designated areas.

https://sorren.com/insights/opportunity-zones-under-obbba-guide/

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Post6:37 PM - 11 days ago#597

Pretty sure they were just gutted by the OBBA and made to boost rurals.

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