I believe the bidding starts at the price of the owed back taxes then if you win the auction you are also responsible for that year's tax and any liens. Banks/lien holders will usually negotiate with you though. I do not believe the city actually owns it at that point but if it is not sold, then the LRA will own it.dmmonty1 wrote:When you buy something at a tax sale, is the price listed what you pay, or do you pay additional back taxes, liens, etc. as well? Also, if it's being sold at a tax sale, does that mean the city actually owns it now?
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I'm not quite sure where to put this, but here is a cool example from Pittsburgh of saving the historic street façade while allowing for greater density:
http://www.post-gazette.com/image/2015/ ... hePenn.jpg
EDIT.... aackk.... apparently the image is too large to post.
Walnut Capital has agreed to save two historic Penn Avenue facades as part of its plans for a new 78-unit apartment project in East Liberty.
The Shadyside developer will incorporate the terra-cotta storefronts into the design of the new $14 million, six-story building on Penn....
“Working with the mayor’s office, they felt strongly that we needed to try to maintain the street facade as it exists today. We concurred and we went back and came up with a creative plan to do that,” Mr. Perelman said.
The two facades are part of four properties to be demolished to clear the way for the apartment complex, to be named The Penn at Walnut on Highland.
Mr. Perelman said the facades — one the former home of Bolan’s Candies — will be carefully deconstructed, categorized, photographed and stored before the buildings are demolished. They then will be rebuilt at roughly the same location and incorporated into the new building.
Walnut Capital started the work to dismantle the facades Tuesday. It will receive a $200,000 facade grant from the URA to help offset the costs.
http://www.post-gazette.com/business/de ... 1503040136
I could see this working well along some ciorrditors like Midtown Alley, East Loop and the Grove.
http://www.post-gazette.com/image/2015/ ... hePenn.jpg
EDIT.... aackk.... apparently the image is too large to post.
Walnut Capital has agreed to save two historic Penn Avenue facades as part of its plans for a new 78-unit apartment project in East Liberty.
The Shadyside developer will incorporate the terra-cotta storefronts into the design of the new $14 million, six-story building on Penn....
“Working with the mayor’s office, they felt strongly that we needed to try to maintain the street facade as it exists today. We concurred and we went back and came up with a creative plan to do that,” Mr. Perelman said.
The two facades are part of four properties to be demolished to clear the way for the apartment complex, to be named The Penn at Walnut on Highland.
Mr. Perelman said the facades — one the former home of Bolan’s Candies — will be carefully deconstructed, categorized, photographed and stored before the buildings are demolished. They then will be rebuilt at roughly the same location and incorporated into the new building.
Walnut Capital started the work to dismantle the facades Tuesday. It will receive a $200,000 facade grant from the URA to help offset the costs.
http://www.post-gazette.com/business/de ... 1503040136
I could see this working well along some ciorrditors like Midtown Alley, East Loop and the Grove.
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^ i've seen a number of examples of new construction behind historic facades in Washington as well. maybe one day our leadership will realize its a thing.
I also think developers are more conservative here then in other places like DCurban_dilettante wrote:^ i've seen a number of examples of new construction behind historic facades in Washington as well. maybe one day our leadership will realize its a thing.
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They've done this in Memphis on Beale Street. It's all about the money. If there's money to be made, someone will do it. If not, why?
The closest example to this we have in St. Louis is the save of the Eads Building on Chouteau by Julie Padberg and her husband. That building was really nothing but it's pretty limestone facade. The entire structure behind the front wall had collapsed into the basement.
But because of strict local codes in Lafayette Square and a strong neighborhood real estate market supported by state and federal historic tax credits, a developer eventually emerged to save the building. That works in Soulard, Lafayette Square and the CWE; sometimes in Old North, seldom in the Ville.
In fact, just this week I was in the Ville, twice. The number of wide open, collapsing buildings there is shocking. Just shocking. It's like the aftermath of war. The area needs radical surgery, but there's no doctor.
The closest example to this we have in St. Louis is the save of the Eads Building on Chouteau by Julie Padberg and her husband. That building was really nothing but it's pretty limestone facade. The entire structure behind the front wall had collapsed into the basement.
But because of strict local codes in Lafayette Square and a strong neighborhood real estate market supported by state and federal historic tax credits, a developer eventually emerged to save the building. That works in Soulard, Lafayette Square and the CWE; sometimes in Old North, seldom in the Ville.
In fact, just this week I was in the Ville, twice. The number of wide open, collapsing buildings there is shocking. Just shocking. It's like the aftermath of war. The area needs radical surgery, but there's no doctor.
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^ I don't think we'll be seeing proposals for mid-rise apartment buildings in The Ville any time soon, unfortunately, but we might for the Grove or Delmar Loop... the example from Pittsburgh is something to keep in mind as residential demand hopefully continues in a few select historic commercial corridors.
I think it can be a satisfactory outcome where a lower-density building has good form and character but isn't particularly historic in its own right. Saving the two-story facades here seemed to be a satisfactory way to preserve the historic character of Penn Ave while allowing for new construction that brings greater density to the growing neighborhood.
I think it can be a satisfactory outcome where a lower-density building has good form and character but isn't particularly historic in its own right. Saving the two-story facades here seemed to be a satisfactory way to preserve the historic character of Penn Ave while allowing for new construction that brings greater density to the growing neighborhood.
Remember that the Moonrise Hotel saved and re-used the old funeral home facade.
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How can you even tell? It looks like a new building.
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While the new building is similar in color to the funeral home, it's pretty obvious where the historic structure is.Northside Neighbor wrote:How can you even tell? It looks like a new building.
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It's obvious when you are aware of it. I never was. I always thought it was all part of a new building. I like it better knowing the difference, but I wonder how many people from outside the area get that the rear section is an addition to an old building, or if it even matters? What we have today is cool no matter how the amalgamation worked.
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^ That's one of the great things about the project.... one of those tasty little amuse-bouches of city living where you're walking down the street and your curiosity suddenly can be raised through interesting architecture.
Maybe better that they don't know they're staying in an old funeral home.Northside Neighbor wrote:I wonder how many people from outside the area get that the rear section is an addition to an old building, or if it even matters?
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i'm not sure to what extent this is true, but i heard that the funeral home facade is mostly a reconstruction of the old facade using new materials. i believe the funeral home was completely razed and/or disassembled before construction of the hotel. in any case i like the end result, and even if the facade is reconstructed it looks close enough to the old facade to convey its history and aesthetic.
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It was disassembled and reassembled, but I was under the impression that tuey re-used the brick and terra cotta. The structure is all new, though.
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This is the original post on this thread and 4/6 of those are now gone, I believe. And 4490 Lindell and Incarnate Word hanging by a thread.STLEnginerd wrote:I was thinking about imminent demolition of several properites all of which are worth opposing for various reasons. I notice the general opinion isn't really coordinated or consistent. I came up with a quick list of proposed demos and the reasons to oppose the demo and was wondering where peoples priorities lye.
4490 Lindell (next to Gyo Obata designed MCM, demo for parking, violate form based code, but developer says parking is necessary to save more architecturally relavent Obata building)
Castle Ballroom (extremely Historically and Culturally relavent building, long vacant, neglected and storm damaged, demo likely for "public safety") (might be to late on this one as I haven't heard whether demo has started yet.)
Blumeyer Projects (14 story building on the north edge of Grand Center. Probably needs extensive renovation but it is probably structurally in good shape. Never offered for sale as far as i know and will become "greenspace")
Empire Brewing Building in Cortex ( Very attractive building with what is likely a very interesting history. Developer plans to replace with very desirable research technology facilities, but mainly the demo seems wasteful as the project area could EASILY accomodate the building by sacrificing a small amout of surface parking.
Lewis and Clark Library (MCM library in St. Louis County where good architecture can be hard to find as it is, new library has promised to incorporate themost significant architechtural feature, the stained glass window, into the new facility that replaces it)
Incarnate Word (Old convent that was temporarily used for student housing at UMSL. Very nice architecture and again being replaced with greenspace. Again in the county and next to a campus with a serious lack of historically relavent architechture. Apparently would cost a mere 11M to renovate where new construction would likely be significantly more.)
Any others people can think of. How would people rate these as far as worth fighting for. The problem it seems is there are so many structures that are worth preserving imminently threatened and such a weak system to enforce their protection.
Here is Landmark's Most Enhanced winners, btw...
http://www.landmarks-stl.org/enhanced_a ... t_enhanced
Some excellent projects, both large and small!