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PostJul 18, 2005#26

southslider wrote:Traffic really only back up east of 7th street, so I don't see how on-street parking west of here would impede traffic flow. At the very least, parking could be added with reduced lanes west of 9th street, if ultimately worried about the convention center. But its cab/shuttle loading bay (curved drive in front) appears to easily handles its needs.



As for why traffic backs up east of 7th, the problem isn't Washington but other streets.



The Federal Reserve made the City vacate Locust between 4th and Broadway, such that numerous buses now turn left onto Washington from 4th, only to turn left again onto Broadway, on a short block with minimal turning bays for left-turning traffic.



The development of superblocks with St. Louis Centre, the Convention Center, and the Dome have restricted the capacity of a grid by limiting the number of through-streets between I-70 and 9th.



Then, you have the problem of I-70 itself. You have the only through north-south arterials of 4th/Broadway in close proximity to the Memorial Drive outer-roads and MLK and Eads bridge all right there.



So, it's not Washington that's the problem, but other streets being changed such that Washington, east of 9th, is used as the only remaining east-west arterial for much of the non-PSB bound Illinois rush-hour commute leaving the CBD.


Wow, great summary of the problem! I completely agree. I think changing many of our streets on the grid (what grid is left) back to two-way traffic could help. As it is many people have to go 2-3 more blocks simply due to the one-way streets. I think two-way streets would also be more friendly as a cyclist and pedestrian.

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PostJul 20, 2005#27

OK, it took me 20 minutes to get from 10th street to 4th street last night. Complete gridlock around 6pm. I'm guessing it was baseball traffic, but there was also a line of out of town buses parked in front of the Renassance hotel that was not helping things.



I completely agree that it's the other streets that cause the problems. Too many one way streets, buses being forced to go down washington, etc. And what's with Lucas and St charles being one way the same direction? That makes no sense...

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PostJul 20, 2005#28

buckethead wrote:OK, it took me 20 minutes to get from 10th street to 4th street last night. Complete gridlock around 6pm. I'm guessing it was baseball traffic, but there was also a line of out of town buses parked in front of the Renassance hotel that was not helping things.



I completely agree that it's the other streets that cause the problems. Too many one way streets, buses being forced to go down washington, etc. And what's with Lucas and St charles being one way the same direction? That makes no sense...


Yeah, I was down there as well. Seems like a lot of people were! I saw the Cardinals traffic and the tour buses. You are right about the other streets.



To me the traffic engineers have been screwing up the grid for the last 50 years - we've lost streets through the creation of superblocks as well as creating one-way streets designed solely for the purpose of getting cars in and out quickly. Clearly it is not working when you are trying to create an interesting neighborhood.

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PostJul 20, 2005#29

Hey Steve,



I enjoyed your comments on your website about the parking issue. Keep fighting the good fight.



Isn't there another place busses can pick up and drop off conventioneers?

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PostJul 21, 2005#30

Urban Review St. Louis wrote:
To me the traffic engineers have been screwing up the grid for the last 50 years


Does the city have traffic engineers or transportation planners on the payroll or do they hire consultants? Just wondering

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PostJul 22, 2005#31

On second thought change my vote.....Yesterday I was trying to go west on Wash Ave about 4:45 and it was gridlocked. Maybe parking could be regulated so that the morning and evening rush hour is exempt east of Tucker.

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