Proposed (from the STLToday story):
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And what's there today Link to Google Street View:
(as an aside, is it permissible on this site to paste in html to embed the Street View image directly in the thread?)
Looks like they'll be building an addition at the rear and converting all of the surface parking (maybe they'll leave some at the rear?) to patio seating. Great re-use of a nicely-designed mid-century modern building IMO. Space's concept actually makes the building less car-centric without abandoning the MCM ethos of low and long with surrounding empty space to emphasize the sense of space.
As proposed, this is a really well-done update.
-RBB
And what's there today Link to Google Street View:
(as an aside, is it permissible on this site to paste in html to embed the Street View image directly in the thread?)
Looks like they'll be building an addition at the rear and converting all of the surface parking (maybe they'll leave some at the rear?) to patio seating. Great re-use of a nicely-designed mid-century modern building IMO. Space's concept actually makes the building less car-centric without abandoning the MCM ethos of low and long with surrounding empty space to emphasize the sense of space.
As proposed, this is a really well-done update.
-RBB
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This was linked in the preservation review agenda thread - but this building will be nominated for the National Register at the next meeting.
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I just came from a neighborhood meeting where Dave Bailey talked about the new Rooster - "Rooster South Grand" with a planned opening of June 2014.
It sounds great- 210 seats, dinner hours, a production bakery for all his restaurants with potential for retail bakery if there's capacity. The kitchen in this Rooster will be the main kitchen for all his restaurants. He mentioned they'd be hiring more people, about 90 more, bringing his total staff to over 300.
I think one of the most exciting things he hinted at is potential for new stuff- they own the lot behind what will become the new restaurant, it sounds like they own it all the way to the existing houses on Juniata- He's already thinking about future expansion and additional concepts in that location. He also hinted at something new going in the spot in the existing Rooster that is now the bakery for his restaurants. He was tight lipped, but it it sounded like he has plans in mind...
Exciting!
It sounds great- 210 seats, dinner hours, a production bakery for all his restaurants with potential for retail bakery if there's capacity. The kitchen in this Rooster will be the main kitchen for all his restaurants. He mentioned they'd be hiring more people, about 90 more, bringing his total staff to over 300.
I think one of the most exciting things he hinted at is potential for new stuff- they own the lot behind what will become the new restaurant, it sounds like they own it all the way to the existing houses on Juniata- He's already thinking about future expansion and additional concepts in that location. He also hinted at something new going in the spot in the existing Rooster that is now the bakery for his restaurants. He was tight lipped, but it it sounded like he has plans in mind...
Exciting!
Such a great and surprising re-use. Who would've thought this one of all buildings would have been preserved. In fact, last year the director of the South Grand Business District told me that the building was specifically identified as one to replace with new construction. It's amazing what new windows, a paint job, lighting and landscaping can do for what most perceive as the "ugly duckling." Seeing how the saucer and now this building are being transformed, can you imagine how sexy a rehabbed San Luis would've looked? I picture neon lighting and funky retro trees and shrubs-- it could've been spectacular.
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^ Agreed!
Also, I forgot to mention... Parking was not brought up even one time in relation to the new restaurant!
Also, I forgot to mention... Parking was not brought up even one time in relation to the new restaurant!
Teddy,
What neighborhood meeting was this? I guess technically that's in TGE, but I recently moved to TGS and haven't yet found (nor looked very hard at all—yet) any neighborhood association stuff, so I'm just curious.
Thanks.
What neighborhood meeting was this? I guess technically that's in TGE, but I recently moved to TGS and haven't yet found (nor looked very hard at all—yet) any neighborhood association stuff, so I'm just curious.
Thanks.
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Tower Grove Heights- www.towergroveheights.com
Technically it's part of Tower Grove South, but for some reason there is separate branding and a separate association. It covers from Arsenal, south to Utah and Gustine, east to Grand.
Welcome to the 'hood!
Technically it's part of Tower Grove South, but for some reason there is separate branding and a separate association. It covers from Arsenal, south to Utah and Gustine, east to Grand.
Welcome to the 'hood!
This is great. I'm really impressed by all Dave Bailey's restaurants and his commitment to the city. Can't wait until this location opens.
I think South Grand is one of the few places in the city people just kind of expect to have to take what parking they can find and maybe walk a little...but it's a pleasant walk, so they don't mind!teddykratch wrote:^ Agreed!
Also, I forgot to mention... Parking was not brought up even one time in relation to the new restaurant!
Finally something at this building. I've been hoping for something for years!
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Good thing they're opening another restaurant on South Grand! I've never been able to find anywhere to eat down there before.
But seriously, I hope it's good and I'm glad to see something occupying this space. Also on South Grand, aren't they renovating those buildings at the intersection of Grand and Gravois?
But seriously, I hope it's good and I'm glad to see something occupying this space. Also on South Grand, aren't they renovating those buildings at the intersection of Grand and Gravois?
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^ yeah. Into residential with I believe some first floor retail. Should be opening spring or summer.
It would be great if they'd add some residential in the lot behind Rooster, maybe a 3 or 4 story apartment building. I thought I had heard of some plans for that lot before the bottom fell out of the market...anyone else remember anything like that?
I'd also love it if Jay would develop something on their parking lot across the street, but I won't hold my breath on that one...
I'd also love it if Jay would develop something on their parking lot across the street, but I won't hold my breath on that one...
The building on the southeast corner of grand and gravois?roger wyoming II wrote:^ yeah. Into residential with I believe some first floor retail. Should be opening spring or summer.
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The series of attached low-rises at that intersection like right across from the gas station/Schnucks.
One with the sex shop on the left portion of the building with the dentist next to it? And the right side has some kind of medical equipment shop on the first floor. There have been plans for that since like 2006, some of the buildings still have wallpaper renderings on the windows of what it was suppose to be
Gateway is right though. Just a few months ago NEW plans were announced (I don't think we saw renderings) for the Farmer's & Merchants Trust Co. building and possibly the one attached to the south.
These are from Lawrence group. I believe they also were responsible for the old plans, but these are newer ones.
These are from Lawrence group. I believe they also were responsible for the old plans, but these are newer ones.
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Bailey's is coming along really nicely. This will be an awesome spot. With other recent opening like LuLu's Local Eatery and Tree House, I think there is a bit of new element added to the old; as a whole the strip is looking pretty nice.
And the Great Streets plantings are also pretty much done and the pocket park graded and about ready for build out.
And the Great Streets plantings are also pretty much done and the pocket park graded and about ready for build out.
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For how vibrant S. Grand is and how much new stuff is opening, why is there so little new construction there? I see parking lots and even vacant lots that could be the sites of small-scale developments like that new Subway in Soulard, North Sarah style buildings, or even another shipping container project. Besides the park, is there ANY new construction proposed for S. Grand at all?
I don't see much space on that main stretch of grand. There are lots in the back. But what could be a game changer is phase 2 of great streets from Utah to gravois.
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I was thinking Grand between 44 and the park. That area could use some infill/rehabs.
^Well, the Compton Gate Condos are adding six more units to their development at Flad. I guess that's a start.
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^ hopefully it will happen in time.... there is some good opportunities for mixed-use residential and I wouldn't mind if the old Y gave room to a nice project. For the core Grand South Grand business district, I'd love to see some select new development... I can see in time the tear down of the non-historic single story retail buildings housing the qdoba/kinkos and bread co/Clarkson eye care businesses and the construction of a three to four story mixed-use complex. Across Hartford, the new Commerce could give way to a taller mixed-use building -- maybe matching the Dickman Building in height -- without having to take any properties. The new community surface parking lot probably would have to become structured. Smaller opportunities also are available such as the Jay. Intl. lot. and I'd love to see the BP go away but the facility could be used as a pretty neat restaurant/bar with generous outdoor patio.Gateway City wrote:I was thinking Grand between 44 and the park. That area could use some infill/rehabs.
South of Utah, I agree with Knowitall that extending Great Streets treatments down to Gravois (preferably all the way down to Chippewa) is key to getting that stretch going and having fixed transit down the 70 line would be a huge boost as well. On a positive note, I think work on the Southside Station project may have begun and I believe Schnuck's is investing quite a bit into its S. Grand/Gravois location.
In general, I'd love to see aging-in-place/universal design residential targeted along S. Grand. I think this is a key issue for the City as it looks to stabilize population in the coming decades and of course is an important social need. Folks who have stuck it out in their neighborhoods through thick and thin should have more options for staying around longer. We've got some great, historic housing; unfortunately it is not too senior-friendly.