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PostJun 12, 2006#351

Great idea in theory - but the State of Missouri has shown time and again a lack of understanding of "smart growth". Basic principal is that people have the right to move out to St. Charles - but there is certain infrastructure that is needed to get those people too and from where they need to be, schools need to be built, water pipes etc. These people are charged for the extra cost that they bring, OR more importantly development in areas that already have infrastructure (including light rail, established streets, new houses, buildings etc) are given the benefit of major tax breaks and incentives. This (in my definition) would include the Mississippi river bridge due to the fact that people are already in place who would use it. Not like Page where you are anticipating people across the river, but people are already there.... facilitate the people who are in place, not the people who might be there years later.



Rahn has his hands in a bind, St. Charles, Jeff Co and other exurbs have more population than the city of St. Louis. He obviously has to serve, the best he can, the most people. If the general assembly doesn't give him more money for mega projects like MRB (which isn't in his general funding) than he really can't do much. Since he is a public servant - he has to support and work with the choices of his superiors as much as he can. In his mind, STL is already getting a $500 million dollar rebuild of I 64. Not that its not needed, I can empathize with him - seeing St. Louis getting a LOT of money for mega- projects (New I-64, New Page extension, Stl will also benefit from a new I-70 according to the reports etc.)



Page is pretty well set in motion. When County Executive Buzz was still around, supposedly he was given a choice between Page and Extending I-170 south to 44 etc. He choose Page (partly because of Metrolink extending along the route of planned 170 extension) - MODOT all but guaranteed Page on the "fast track" of transportation financing. I don?t think anything realistic can be done to stop this "progress"

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PostJun 14, 2006#352

MoDOT opposes bridge plan

By Elisa Crouch

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

06/14/2006



A half-price alternative to a $910 million Mississippi River bridge doesn't work for the Missouri transportation director and raises concerns of St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay and a developer building a casino on Laclede's Landing.



Missouri Transportation Director Pete Rahn said Tuesday that he does not support the Illinois Department of Transportation's alternative to the eight-lane span and wants to pursue the more expensive option instead.



The alternative involves building a four-lane companion bridge to the Martin Luther King Bridge, but for only westbound traffic. The King Bridge would be renovated to carry three eastbound lanes.



"Any evaluation (of the alternative) is going to take years," Rahn said. "My concern is that delays any action on a new Mississippi River bridge."







Rahn and Illinois Transportation Secretary Tim Martin agree that building lanes across the Mississippi River is crucial to relieving congestion between St. Louis and the Metro East, and that Interstate 70 traffic needs to be rerouted from the Poplar Street Bridge to another structure. That need was underscored last week when MoDOT closed four lanes on the Poplar Street Bridge for resurfacing work, resulting in evening rush hour backups that stretched miles and gridlock downtown.



But they don't see eye to eye on many other issues, ranging from funding to which span to pursue. They disagree on how quickly an environmental impact study could be conducted and whether Illinois' King Bridge alternative could be built in a way that could avoid hurting Pinnacle Entertainment's casino. The proximity of the potential span to the $400 million development under construction at Laclede's Landing is a concern.



In an e-mail to a Missouri transportation official, the director of governmental affairs for Pinnacle said her company opposes turning the King bridge into a one-way bridge with eastbound traffic, as well as any bridge structure, exit ramps or lanes south of Biddle Street.



Rahn said there's no way the companion span could be designed so it would not adversely impact Pinnacle's casino.



St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay also is concerned about the impact that a King coupler bridge would have on Pinnacle, a project that the city worked years to land. In a June 6 letter to a MoDOT official, Slay wrote that he opposes "any alternative that negatively impacts" the casino project.



Martin said it's possible to build the King coupler bridge so it wouldn't hurt the casino.



"We can certainly work with the city of St. Louis and Pinnacle casino to put together a plan that would be beneficial for all parties," said Matt Vanover, Illinois transportation spokesman. "We are definitely interested in pursuing this."



Illinois has spent about $80 million on planning for a new Mississippi River bridge, on aspects including design work, public relations and land acquisition, according to the Illinois Department of Transportation. Missouri has spent around $25 million.



It has been two weeks since Illinois officials proposed their less expensive alternative. Transportation officials in both states have yet to formally meet about it.



"We attempted to arrange a meeting with your staff prior to and subsequent to the public announcement of the Martin Luther King Bridge Coupler concept," Martin wrote in a letter dated Monday and faxed to Rahn. "Unfortunately, we were advised that MoDOT was unavailable. We still remain willing to meet at your earliest convenience."



Rahn said that he is unaware of any attempt but that he is ready to talk.



Their disagreements over how to pay for the structure led Illinois officials to search for a less expensive plan, one that could be built without using tolls as Rahn has advocated. Rahn says he is not giving up on a public-private partnership, which would allow a private company to build the bridge, operate it and charge tolls to finance construction and for a profit.



"The piece that seems to be missing from this is, this toll bridge would be totally optional," he said. "All the other bridges would be free. If you don't want to pay the toll, you can drive the way you're driving today."



In his letter, Martin says the states could build the $410 million to $450 million King coupler without tolls, because federal and Illinois dollars would pay for all but about $50 million of it. He also says it could take as little as two years to conduct the necessary environmental studies if everyone cooperates, as in the case of the MetroLink Extension into St. Clair County.



Rahn, on the other hand, says those studies would take much longer. The length of time could kill the likelihood of building anything, he said.



Meanwhile, Slay continues to try to strike a common chord with the two states on getting the $910 million bridge built, through negotiations and enlisting the business community. Building a new Mississippi River bridge remains his priority.



"We have not given up on that," said Jeff Rainford, Slay's chief of staff. "If we fail to do that, future generations are going to look back with great regret at our failure."



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PostJun 15, 2006#353

This is a joke to me and I think the Mississippi river project that is of the utmost importance. IDOT is against a wall and wouldn't have even had to propose this idea if MODOT would have done what they have said for 15+ years - with NO MENTION OF TOLLS! IDOT just wants to get it done... MODOT said too expensive - so they cut 2/3 the price from the original $1.6 billion. I see no progress from MODOT more than what you would expect a spoiled child to do, kicking and dragging their feet and giving extra stipulations. On this new project, MODOT is left with a mere $50 million in cost - a complete bargain for a new bridge of any size. It?s not ideal but at least IDOT is trying to get the project moving forward from the stagnation that has plagued this issue for years. If MODOT keeps being all stubborn about this - we will loose the allocated federal money and we won?t get any new bridge for decades.



Take money from countless other projects with virtually no traffic level. MODOT wastes SO MUCH MONEY on rural roads, upgrading places that don?t need it. They have TOO MANY ROADS there anyway - sell some to developers, make some parks (stopping maintenance costs)? just be smart about it. STL, KC, Springfield and other CITIES in Missouri are having their interests severely compromised by the tendencies of MODOT to look away from their tax bases. I know MODOT gives a lot to the STL region, but if you look at the amount of money spend here on transportation compared to our tax base, I think MODOT and Rahn are looking at this all wrong.



I think its hysterical that Missouri is planning on spending 3 billion on redoing I44 and I70, but they can?t spare a couple hundred million for the FULL MONTY $1.6 billion dollar proposal. I think they were to pay $300 million. If it does go toll ? I want that bridge to be the world record setting bridge that was scaled back ? I don?t want something boring, I want to get my $5 each way out of it.



MODOT REALLY ISN?T LOOKING OUT FOR MISSOURI.

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PostJun 17, 2006#354

Officials meet on building a bridge -- finally

Transit officials agree to continue the dialogue



BY MIKE FITZGERALD

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After months of snubs, sniping and bruised egos, Illinois's and Missouri's transportation directors met privately Friday to discuss how to pay for a new Mississippi River bridge.



Tim Martin, the Illinois Department of Transportation director, met in Missouri with Pete Rahn, the Missouri transportation chief.



Also on hand Friday were a senior member of Missouri Gov. Matt Blunt's staff and Bradley Tusk, Illinois' deputy governor, said IDOT spokesman Matt Vanover.



"It's a positive thing because both sides have agreed to continue that dialogue and to work together, exchanging information over the next several weeks," Vanover said. "So I would not be surprised if there is another meeting in the future."



For the past 10 months, progress on the $910 million river bridge project, which would move Interstate 70 traffic away from the overburdened Poplar Street Bridge, had stalled because of the bistate stalemate over whether the new bridge should be funded as a tollway.



Rahn and Missouri lawmakers favor a "public-private" partnership by which a private vendor would bid for a long-term lease on the bridge and then charge motorists tolls to pay for construction and maintenance costs.



Martin and Illinois lawmakers, however, have rejected the tollway idea, arguing it would be unfair to Illinois commuters, who comprise more than 80 percent of rush hour commuter traffic.



State Sen. Bill Haine, D-Alton, cheered word of Friday's meeting.



"That's terrific news," Haine said. "That the governor of Missouri is now engaged. I think it's a progressive move. A major change for the better."



Rahn's embrace of the tollway plan, coupled with his previous refusal to meet with Illinois leaders, led Haine and other metro-east lawmakers to promote a scaled-down version of the original eight-lane bridge project.



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PostJun 18, 2006#355

Lawmaker: Missouri yet to step up to plate

BY MIKE FITZGERALD

News-Democrat



Missouri Department of Transportation director Pete Rahn has played his cards close to the vest throughout his dealings with Illinois leaders over how to pay for a new Mississippi River bridge.



In an increasingly rancorous tug-of-war between the two states, Rahn has insisted the nearly $1 billion bridge-and-highway project should pay for itself as a tollway, and be built through a "public-private partnership" -- an idea Illinois leaders have rejected as unfair to their state's commuters.



Meanwhile, Rahn's oversight of a previous public-private partnership when he served as New Mexico highway chief in the late 1990s is a concern for at least one regional leader.



The dispute over a new Mississippi bridge has dragged on for nearly a year, but recently it has started to cool off, thanks to a closed-door meeting Friday in St. Louis between Rahn and Tim Martin, the Illinois Department of Transportation director.



The meeting took place three days after state Rep. Frank Watson, R-Greenville -- the Senate minority leader -- announced he had enlisted the help of Missouri state Sen. Mike Gibbons, the Missouri Senate president, to bring both sides together.



Watson is rankled by the idea that so much money and time has been spent preparing for the new bridge -- $80 million on Illinois' end, and $25 million on Missouri's, and yet its future is in doubt.



"Why in the heck didn't somebody have an idea as to what Missouri was going to do?" Watson said. "That's totally irresponsible. It just boggles my mind that there wouldn't have been more of an understanding of what everybody's responsibility was in the whole picture."



To a small number of Missouri leaders, Rahn has been forthcoming about his plans for the eight-lane span, which would funnel Interstate 70 traffic north, away from the crowded Poplar Street Bridge.



Les Sterman, executive director of the East-West Gateway Council of Governments in St. Louis, said Rahn has disclosed to him an unusual piece of news.



"He has announced that within 30 days of having approval to go in this direction, we will have an unsolicited proposal" from a contractor to build the bridge, Sterman said. "How can you know that without having some relationship with the proposer?"



Rahn did not return calls seeking comment since last week.



What concerns Sterman is how Rahn's disclosure is reminiscent of a New Mexico highway project.



"It's deja vu all over again," Sterman said.



Rahn, a native of New Mexico, is a former insurance salesman and construction industry lobbyist who enjoyed close ties to Republican leaders. In 1995, New Mexico's then-Republican governor appointed Rahn chief of the state's highway department, despite his lack of an engineering background.



In 1997, Rahn oversaw the widening of 118 miles of a highway known as N.M. 44. With a price tag of $420 million, the highway project ranked as the most expensive in state history. It also would be remembered as one of the most notorious, souring many in that state on future public-private partnerships.



The Albuquerque Journal later reported that Koch Industries, the highway's builder, had been allowed to bid on the project even though Koch's unsolicited proposal formed the basis for the project design.



Koch was the only bidder, even though the company had never built a major highway in the United States and the design it proposed was untried.



"At the time, they were selling it as a new, novel approach that couldn't be afforded any other way, that we were making some kind of history," said Colleen Heild, a Journal reporter who followed the project.



Despite Koch's claims of a superior design, portions of the highway today are buckling and falling apart, Heild said.



"They're really re-evaluating it now because of the problems," she said.



Rahn defended the project in a story published in the Illinois Business Journal earlier this year, saying it exemplified a successful public-private partnership because it was completed under budget and on time.



Former State. Sen. Billy McKibben, one of Rahn's toughest critics in the New Mexico statehouse, viewed the project in a different light.



"This was a monumental mistake," he told the Albuquerque Journal.



Here in the new Mississippi River bridge tollway dispute, both sides -- for now -- are refusing to budge from their positions.



To state Sen. Bill Haine, D-Alton, Missouri's insistence on a toll is consistent with its behavior on past bistate bridge projects.



While Illinois has pledged $210 million for the bridge, in addition to the $239 million the federal government has earmarked for it, Missouri has promised nothing, Haine said.



"Missouri has yet to step up to the plate," Haine said. "I think they're trying to get a free ride."



Haine scoffed at Missouri's claim it doesn't have any money to invest owing to commitments to improve roads within Show Me State boundaries.



Noting Missouri will receive $75 million in federal funding for the bridge, Haine said: "They were little help on the McKinley Bridge" between St. Louis and Venice. "And they were little help 20 years ago on the (Martin Luther) King Bridge."



Missouri is using the new river bridge as a "test case" by insisting it be a tollway, Haine said.



"We are the guinea pig in a certain sense," he said. "They want this to be the test case, which is fancy language for not putting any money in."



Sterman defended Missouri's assertion it lacks the money for a bridge. He noted the state's history of relatively low gasoline taxes, coupled with the big-ticket loan it recently took out to repair its much-maligned roads.



"Over the next few years, Missouri will be reduced to repaying debt and filling potholes," Sterman said. "They won't be able to build anything."



The idea of making the new Mississippi River bridge a tollway always hovered in the background, according to Sterman and Henry Hungerbeeler, who served as MoDOT director from 1999 to 2000.



"It was clear from the first that if we did not get more than a normal allocation of federal funding, then Missouri could not build a bridge unless we came up with some alternative financial plan like a toll bridge," Hungerbeeler said.



Hungerbeeler said both states hoped to receive an especially big earmark for the project owing to the influence of a pair of important Congressional Republicans: Sen. Kit Bond of Missouri, and House Speaker Dennis Hastert of Illinois.



"We had high hopes that we'd be able to bring a lot of money home," he said.



The $239 million earmarked for the bridge turned out to be the largest single line item contained in the transportation bill signed by President Bush last year. But it wasn't enough to close the funding gap, Sterman said.



As a result, Rahn has to come up with another financing idea, Sterman said. "And that's part of why he's so committed to experimenting on the Mississippi River bridge," Sterman said. "It's a great experiment for Missouri because you do it with somebody else's money."



Contact reporter Mike Fitzgerald at mfitzgerald@bnd.com or 239-2533.

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PostJun 19, 2006#356

This is such BS. Missouri continues to screw the metro east over, and this is not the first time they have done so. Politicians in the state of Illinois are finally doing some more to our area, and our metro area (often St Louis City) is trying, but the only thing putting growth to a halt is Missouri and its shady politicians.



If you're worried metro easters are upset with St Louis and the suburbs, they're not. I believe most understand that Mayor Francis Slay has been doing everything he can to support the bridge.

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PostJun 19, 2006#357

"Over the next few years, Missouri will be reduced to repaying debt and filling potholes," Sterman said. "They won't be able to build anything."


:roll:



Oh yeah except for the ever expansions of I-70 in Chuck county and I-55 in Jeffco, they won't be able to build anything. Sorry Illinois.

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PostJun 19, 2006#358

MO should just sell downtown to Illinois, they don't seem to want it much anyways... and let blagojevich and slay actually accomplish something.



this red-state toll road bs is a joke..



I vote for whatever plan obliterates the least amount of land downtown .. i dont see this thing making a shitlet of difference to PSB congestion anyways. downtown is plenty served already by the MLK & Eads, and they'd still have 64/44/55 traffic crossing the same old sh*tty bridge.



how about they spend 1/100th of the budget and make the Eads/MLK more streamlined for use .. use another 1/100th to build some nasty truck toll stations in the city so trucks might actually start using 270/255 .. they can then spend the remaining money for an enviromental study of Rahn's ass, to see if they can't pull his head out .. they'll need every penny

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PostJun 19, 2006#359

you know I would be fine with a toll that only charged MO residents. It would - afterall - be fair. I suppose one could create a system where Il residents could purchase electronic tags that let them whiz right through ... (yet another reason to get your car registetred in il) - or, hell ... maybe you could put somethign electronic in IL plates ...

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PostJun 20, 2006#360

markofucity wrote:you know I would be fine with a toll that only charged MO residents. It would - afterall - be fair. I suppose one could create a system where Il residents could purchase electronic tags that let them whiz right through ... (yet another reason to get your car registetred in il) - or, hell ... maybe you could put somethign electronic in IL plates ...


Or charge them the toll like everyone else using the no-stop electronic passes, which puts the charge on your credit card. And then have the state of Illinois reimburse its own citizens if it chooses.

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PostJun 20, 2006#361

I-44/55 traffic on the PSB is to be relieved if MODOT doubles the 44/55 ramps to/from the PSB to two lanes from the present single-lane ramps. This is possible, since the new bridge will allow the loss of PSB ramps to/from I-70 and Memorial Drive. However, since MODOT pretends to be broke when it comes to adding capacity to its single largest concentration of jobs within its taxed borders, I'm concerned the Missourah Department of Rural Roads may never come through in reconfiguring the PSB, defeating the whole purpose of a new MRB.



And if Rahn loves tolls so much that they're good enough for the MRB, why is Rahn not championing the concept for rebuilding I-70 between St. Louis and KC? Or why not even the future rebuilding of the Daniel Boone bridge in Chesterfield? Clearly, MODOT is just as guilty as IDOT in not wanting to toll its taxpayers.



And MODOT is broke? It's true that a state with extremely high mileage of state-maintained roads per capita is overstretched. But MODOT should ditch those rural roads that in any other state would be county highways, not state highways. And when New I-64 is running $535 million, or even the lid over I-70 totaling $200 million, I think MODOT can afford $50 million for the MLK coupler concept sans toll.



As for the environmental analysis of the MLK-coupler, Rahn is talking BS. The Casino, Bottle District, or even the Econo Lodge are hardly historic. If MODOT would actually cooperate, environmental documentation could be accelerated to be completed easily within 18 months or less, just as St. Clair MetroLink extension was. But the clock is ticking on how long our region has before recent federal earmarks are long lost.



And back to the original point-- relieving PSB jams. Whether the scaled-back MRB or the MLK-coupler, the price didn't include reconfiguring PSB. Sadly, that's upto anti-urban MODOT, but I doubt any tolls on one bridge could pay for improvements to another, especially if a private partner only had rights over a new bridge. So then, save the money on the MRB, build the MLK-coupler, and have tons more money leftover to reconfigure the PSB and cap the depressed section.

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PostJun 21, 2006#362

When I read that the cost of the "pretty" bridge had balooned to $2 billion, I thought -- heck they could dig a canal from the Missouri River near Augusta southeast over to the Merimac River, and route all barge traffic coming down the Mississippi up the Missouri to the canal and bypass downtown altogether for $2 Billion. Then they could put a low cheap bridge downtown, or even a pontoon bridge, since no barges would be going under it.



(I'm not really serious here.)

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PostJun 23, 2006#363

Or charge them the toll like everyone else using the no-stop electronic passes, which puts the charge on your credit card. And then have the state of Illinois reimburse its own citizens if it chooses.


I commute to work on a four-lane highway used mostly by Delaware residents. A lot of people do so and the state reimburses what it calls "frequent commuters" -- those passing through the tolls at least 30 times a month and almost all Delaware residents -- for 50% of their toll costs on that highway only through a credit to their EZ-Pass account. Also, new highway construction includes a fork in the lanes approaching tolls -- stay straight for EZ Pass holders without slowing down, or be diverted slightly to the right for cash payers. Hope they enjoy sitting in traffic lines.



Interestingly, the state recently agreed to double tolls on I-95 in Delaware, reasoning that the majority of drivers are out-of-state residents.



Maybe some lessons for MODOT--or does it even look to see what its peers elsewhere are doing?

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But that would be passing the buck back onto Illinois. Basically, Illinois would be reimbursing it's own residents, thereby paying well over half of the bridge. Missouri just needs to buck up, and quit messing around. They're wasting everybodys time and effort.

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PostJun 25, 2006#365

You're right, Trent. I guess I was wondering if commuters from both sides of the river could be given a credit at the end of each month, thereby shifting some of the burden to long-distance travelers. Would this help or even be worth considering?

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PostJun 26, 2006#366

Gephardt tied to efforts to build a bridge

But he also consults for firm campaigning for new tollways

BY MIKE FITZGERALD

News-Democrat





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U.S. Rep. Jerry Costello (D-IL), left, listens while Rep. Richard Gephardt (D-MO) speaks.



The men who filed into the elegant confines of J.F. Sanfilippo's Restaurant on April 17 in downtown St. Louis included nearly all of the key players in the effort to build a new Mississippi River bridge.



Bringing them all together was Richard Gephardt, the former congressional leader from St. Louis, two-time presidential candidate and Democratic Party pillar.



What most didn't know, according to participants interviewed, was that Gephardt is also a consultant for Goldman Sachs Group, the Wall Street investment giant that is betting $3 billion on a campaign to turn many of the world's busiest highways and bridges into private tollways.



Then on May 29 -- three days before Illinois lawmakers' deadline for Missouri to show how tolls could pay for a new bridge -- Gephardt again was there to conduct talks. This time Missouri Department of Transportation Director Pete Rahn and Missouri Highways and Transportation Commission Chairman Bill McKenna met with Gephardt and U.S. Rep. Jerry Costello in Costello's office in Washington, D.C.



Illinois state lawmakers knew nothing of the meeting and later railed about Rahn's refusal to talk about the bridge options.



Costello said he believes Gephardt offered to bring both sides together, not as a Goldman Sachs consultant, but "as a person who has an interest in getting this bridge built...."



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PostJun 29, 2006#367

Illinois Gov Blagojevich held a press conference in Collinsville yesterday concerning the new river bridge.



Blagojevich says no to tolls for new bridge

By Elisa Crouch

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

06/28/2006



The clash between Illinois and Missouri over how to pay for a new Mississippi River bridge has never involved a governor. Until Wednesday.



Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich threw the weight of his office into the fray with a clear message to Missouri leaders: no tolls.



The issue is a "nonstarter," Blagojevich said, and would place a burden on 83,000 Illinois commuters who work in Missouri. "The idea that we would actually charge hardworking people in Illinois is an abhorrent idea."



He made the statement while surrounded by about 25 elected leaders and transportation officials at a news conference in Collinsville. They urged Missouri leaders to support a less expensive alternative to an eight-lane $910 million Mississippi River bridge between downtown and Madison County.





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PostJun 29, 2006#368

Screw the less expensive version. Seriously, MoDOT can dump money into things like the 64/40 corridor, endless rural highways, 364 expansion, new bridges across the Missouri River...they can find the money to do a bridge across the Mississippi. If they can't, then cut funding to rural highways with a LOT less usage than the Mississippi River Bridges.

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PostJun 29, 2006#369

I agree MODOT needs to pony up... Just finish the much needed work on 40/64 and lets get moving on this bridge.

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PostJul 06, 2006#370

Illinois, Missouri spar over new bridge

BY JIM SUHR

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published Thursday, June 29, 2006



COLLINSVILLE - While still hopeful for diplomacy, Illinois and neighboring Missouri continued their public sparring Wednesday over the years-old dilemma of how to relieve traffic snarls over the Mississippi River at St. Louis - and at what cost.



In the Land of Lincoln, Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich told reporters that "urgency" demands construction of a sister bridge to an existing span between the states - an idea he called affordable at half the price tag of a $910 million plan to build a new eight-lane bridge.



But across the river, Missouri Department of Transportation chief Pete Rahn panned Illinois' scaled-down blueprint as no long-term solution worth spending as much as $450 million on. Rahn still backs calls for the $910 million project long stalled over how it should be paid for - Rahn supports charging tolls, something Blagojevich flatly rejects.



"Tolls are off the table, out of the question. That won't happen," Blagojevich said, saying the tolls would place an undue financial burden on the tens of thousands of Illinoisans who commute daily to work into St. Louis and its Missouri suburbs.



As Wednesday's quibbling continued, motorists trying to cross the river fumed, spending 45 minutes inching their way west in the afternoon rush hour into Missouri on the Poplar Street Bridge.



Rahn's Illinois counterpart, Tim Martin, crystalized the debate as "a tough choice" - whether to spend $910 million on a "signature bridge that's a tourist attraction" or spend half that on "something that's affordable."



"We both understand the need to build a new bridge over the Mississippi River, but it's choices," Martin said during Wednesday's news conference in this city about 10 miles east of St. Louis.



Under the plan Illinois endorses, a "coupler" bridge would be added parallel to the existing, 55-year-old Martin Luther King Bridge.



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>>> If you follow the link to the article above, there's a small graphic included that roughly shows the alignment of the new I-70 bridge.





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PostJul 13, 2006#371

Official outlines financing details of proposed toll bridge

By Elisa Crouch

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

07/12/2006



Missouri's transportation director has a way to build a new eight-lane bridge across the Mississippi River before the end of 2013 at a $2-per-trip cost to motorists.



Transportation Director Pete Rahn outlined a toll scenario for a new river crossing Tuesday, giving the Missouri Highways and Transportation Commission further detail about a plan that Illinois leaders have said they're against.



The $2 toll could rise with inflation, though commuters would receive discounts. By 2030, about 51,000 vehicles a day would use the structure, Rahn predicted, alleviating congestion on the Poplar Street Bridge and other toll-free crossings.



"Even if you don't pay a toll you're going to receive a benefit from the toll bridge itself," Rahn told the Missouri Highways and Transportation Commission at its monthly meeting.





Illinois leaders won't build a bridge with Missouri if motorists have to pay tolls to use it, they say. The concept is Missouri's most promising financing option if the public wants more lanes between St. Louis and the Metro East in the next seven years, Rahn said.



By 2011, Missouri will have $700 million a year to spend on road projects across the state, less than half of what it's spending this year. Missouri's share of the $910 million bridge project is approximately $426 million, Rahn said. The state has pledged no money toward the project, whereas Illinois has committed $210 million.



"We're willing to put our money where our mouth is," Illinois Rep. Jay Hoffman, D-Collinsville, said in an interview.



If Illinois officials were to agree to Rahn's proposal, the Missouri highway commission would solicit bids from private companies to finance, build and operate a new bridge linking downtown and the Metro East.



"This cannot be a unilateral decision on the part of Missouri," Rahn said. "We must have an agreement with Illinois to proceed."



An offer less than the full bridge cost, but greater than $671 million, would require federal funds already earmarked for the project to fill the gap. The states would have to fund the difference if the offer was less.



Rahn's proposed method of financing a new Mississippi River crossing is an emerging trend as states struggle to pay for new roads and maintain old ones.



The city of Chicago is leasing a toll bridge to a private company for 99 years for $1.83 billion. Indiana recently began leasing a turnpike to the same firm for 75 years for $3.8 billion.



Last month, the Texas Department of Transportation formed a public-private partnership when it approved an offer from a consortium to build and operate a 40-mile toll road from Austin to Seguin for 50 years. The consortium, led by a Spain-based company and a San Antonio firm, agreed to pay the state $25 million upfront and share toll profits. It also bought the right of way from the state for $1.3 billion.



New legislation in Missouri allows the highway commission to enter into a similar agreement for a new Mississippi River bridge.



Illinois leaders, including Gov. Rod Blagojevich, have stressed that they won't support a public-private partnership if it involves tolls. For nearly a year, the two states have wrestled over how they'll pay for more lanes between St. Louis and the Metro East, where traffic congestion is worse on the Poplar Street Bridge.



The Poplar Street Bridge carries Interstates 55, 64 and 70. Transportation officials in both states want to reroute Interstate 70 to the future bridge for security and economic reasons.



For about a month, Illinois officials have pushed for a less expensive crossing called the Martin Luther King Bridge coupler. The four-lane companion bridge would run parallel to the existing King structure and carry westbound traffic only. The existing bridge would carry three lanes of eastbound traffic.



Rahn said again on Tuesday that he doesn't like that option.



A Federal Highway Administration letter to Illinois Transportation Secretary Tim Martin indicates there's no rush for the states to spend the $239 million Congress earmarked for the bridge last summer. The money "shall remain available until expended," the letter states, unless Congress takes it back through legislative action.



Missouri and Illinois officials met about the bridge issue last month. Neither side budged.



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PostJul 13, 2006#372

I live in Illinois and have worked most of my life in Missouri. Crossing the Mighty Muddy twice a day. I have become more frustraited now than I ever have been regarding the commute. I can't wait until the McKinley Bridge is reopened. My commute is becoming such a time consuming choir that I have considered switching jobs. The crazy part is that if I take my average commute time and use that travel time as a guide for searching for a job in Illinois, I could search all the way to Springfield, Effingham or Mt. Vernon.



Add to this the idiotic beaurocracy that has become of Missouri politics. I can't understand why the citizens of Missouri continue to allow these morons to remain in office.



Having said all of this, I want anyone reading this to take a nice drive up 367 into Alton and hold the thought when you see that beautiful bridge and what it has helped accomplish there.



The more I think about it, if the only way to get a bridge that St. Louis deserves is to temporarily (10-20 years) charge tolls, then so be it. I would rather do that then "settle" for something else that has absolutely no style to it. The time it would save me each way would well be worth the $2 toll I would pay.

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PostJul 13, 2006#373

dkparks wrote:Having said all of this, I want anyone reading this to take a nice drive up 367 into Alton and hold the thought when you see that beautiful bridge and what it has helped accomplish there.



The more I think about it, if the only way to get a bridge that St. Louis deserves is to temporarily (10-20 years) charge tolls, then so be it. I would rather do that then "settle" for something else that has absolutely no style to it. The time it would save me each way would well be worth the $2 toll I would pay.


Sure, good bridges can help ease transit, and great bridges are visually appealing, as well. But temporary bridge tolls have a frequent history of becoming permanent. As a hopefully-not-too-irrelevant example, check the SF-Oakland bay bridge @ wikipedia, where the tolls are expected to raise to $4 in 2007. I'm not implying that tolls are bad, just adding information to the discussion.

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PostJul 13, 2006#374

$910,000,000 Total cost of the bridge

-$239,000,000 Federal funding

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$671,000,000

-$210,000,000 Illinois funding

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$461,000,000 Remaining to be paid by Missouri??





A few questions (Don't get me wrong I'm in favor of the bridge as long as we don't start slicing north of downtown with too many more highways and ramps)



1) Is $210M all Illinois might contribute? Or this number just for starters?



2) Wouldn't a more equitable contribution be a 50/50 split of $335.5M



3) Surely Missouri will benefit from a new bridge. But is it fair to say that residents in Illinois have the most to gain?



4) So why should Missouri pay over twice as much?



5) Am I missing anything in the equation?

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james wrote:$910,000,000 Total cost of the bridge

-$239,000,000 Federal funding

----------------------------------

$671,000,000

-$210,000,000 Illinois funding

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$461,000,000 Remaining to be paid by Missouri??





A few questions (Don't get me wrong I'm in favor of the bridge as long as we don't start slicing north of downtown with too many more highways and ramps)



1) Is $210M all Illinois might contribute? Or this number just for starters?



2) Wouldn't a more equitable contribution be a 50/50 split of $335.5M



3) Surely Missouri will benefit from a new bridge. But is it fair to say that residents in Illinois have the most to gain?



4) So why should Missouri pay over twice as much?



5) Am I missing anything in the equation?




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