I would love to have small conventions throughout the year and a big one every month. It's good for retail and businesses downtown.
I like it.
I noticed the rendering is now in the windows of the building with "coming soon"
I noticed the rendering is now in the windows of the building with "coming soon"
i wish they could AT LEAST somehow save the facade of the two smaller buildings on the corner, and incorporate them into the new structure, i suppose that would be a cost, etc. it's just sad to continue losing historic facades downtown. this corner was/is one of the few remaining downtown. overall, i'm very excited that this project is happening, next to the new farm and home, next to the updated 1015 Locust. lots happening within these three blocks. now, about that alverne and bridal store...
my 3 cents
1. sorry to see the small buildings go.
2. this looks bright, fresh and modern
3. i wish someone would do something bold in this town (aka Lumiere)
just a thought, criticize at will....
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1. sorry to see the small buildings go.
2. this looks bright, fresh and modern
3. i wish someone would do something bold in this town (aka Lumiere)
just a thought, criticize at will....
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Interesting idea, and certainly bold...I'm down with that.
I love the fact that the logo for this project is a nautilus shell, a symbol often used to represent the use of the "golden spiral" as a predominant proportioning system in Nature. (Anyone who has gone to my website can see that I'm a huge fan of this amazing proportioning system.) And while I love that spiral like it was my child, it seems too big in your image. Maybe half the size? And some differentiation of color would be nice. Maybe some ascent color to really make the logo pop. Or better yet leave the structural grid a different color instead of painting the entire facade white. And I could nit pick about the placement of it on the facade, seems like it wants to move up and to the right.
Regardless of these picky issues, I like the idea. No one seems to paint logos on the sides of buildings anymore, and those are often among the most interesting elements of historic structures.
You've inspired me... if I have time later today I might come up with my own, which will be similar to yours but with the minor changes I indicated.
I love the fact that the logo for this project is a nautilus shell, a symbol often used to represent the use of the "golden spiral" as a predominant proportioning system in Nature. (Anyone who has gone to my website can see that I'm a huge fan of this amazing proportioning system.) And while I love that spiral like it was my child, it seems too big in your image. Maybe half the size? And some differentiation of color would be nice. Maybe some ascent color to really make the logo pop. Or better yet leave the structural grid a different color instead of painting the entire facade white. And I could nit pick about the placement of it on the facade, seems like it wants to move up and to the right.
Regardless of these picky issues, I like the idea. No one seems to paint logos on the sides of buildings anymore, and those are often among the most interesting elements of historic structures.
You've inspired me... if I have time later today I might come up with my own, which will be similar to yours but with the minor changes I indicated.
that's funny, I wanted it BIGGER! 
I would also love a 'grid structure' or 'hanging garden' or 'projection screen' to hide the garage. I know OPO has this, but c'mon, you can never have enough 'Vegas.'
I would also love a 'grid structure' or 'hanging garden' or 'projection screen' to hide the garage. I know OPO has this, but c'mon, you can never have enough 'Vegas.'
ok, actually, you can have too much 'Vegas.' Just look at Vegas.
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I like the view of the parking garage. The corner buildings needs to be taller - at least 4 stories, but ideally 6 or more. I know this would block some windows in the existing buidling . . . make a light well.
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shadrach wrote:my 3 cents
1. sorry to see the small buildings go.
2. this looks bright, fresh and modern
3. i wish someone would do something bold in this town (aka Lumiere)
just a thought, criticize at will....
Brilliant! I love it!
...if anyone from Killeen Studios is lurking around here, this is a freebie 
If they are going to use historic tax credits, that paint job would not be allowed.
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First, I like the shell design on the building, definitely adds some edge to the streetscape. Second, anyone know the true timing on this project?
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MattnSTL wrote:If they are going to use historic tax credits, that paint job would not be allowed.
Really? If so I think that's a real shame. For many, "ghost signs" are sacred - well, there won't be ANY in 100 years because we no longer allow new signs!
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Here are the variations I came up with, inspired by Shadrach. I'm assuming these paint jobs also would be prohibit receiving historic tax credits, but I had fun coming up with the proposals anyway.
The first image is based on a modification of Shadrach's image. The second one adds a vertical garden hung on a concrete grid, to (partially) block the parking garage from view and enhance the experience of the roof garden.
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The first image is based on a modification of Shadrach's image. The second one adds a vertical garden hung on a concrete grid, to (partially) block the parking garage from view and enhance the experience of the roof garden.
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Grover wrote:For many, "ghost signs" are sacred - well, there won't be ANY in 100 years because we no longer allow new signs!
Careful- some of us really like our ghost signs.
To me there's good reason to keep the ghost signage in place beyond the historic tax credits. As far as I know there's no other visible link to Scruggs Vandervoort & Barney, which was apparently considered by many to be St. Louis' leading department store over rivals Famous-Barr (Macy's), Stix Baer & Fuller (Dillard's), and similar but smaller retailers like Boyd's. Other Vandervoort's locations were altered, like the Crestwood location (now Macy's, soon to be vacant) and at Northwest Plaza. The Clayton location at Forsyth and Hanley, which was later home to Library Ltd. and then Borders before it relocated to Brentwood, was recently demolished for Centene's new development.
As much as I'd like to see the ghost signs stay, I must say that I really like the altered renderings some of you presented here. It reflects what I think is a delicate balance, i.e., should preserving history be the priority, or should it be creating something bolder for the future?
I'm usually torn between those two choices, so I guess that's why someone like me feels right at home in St. Louis.
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I like the design of the shell for the building
If they dont choose to do the paint, maybe they can have some kind of
projection lighting to shine towards the building for the effect at night
that way they dont paint, but can still have the cool effect of lighting of the
building with the design from above
If they dont choose to do the paint, maybe they can have some kind of
projection lighting to shine towards the building for the effect at night
that way they dont paint, but can still have the cool effect of lighting of the
building with the design from above
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I love that "green wall" in your second rendering, Jeremy. Great idea!
citywatcher wrote:I like the design of the shell for the building
If they dont choose to do the paint, maybe they can have some kind of
projection lighting to shine towards the building for the effect at night
that way they dont paint, but can still have the cool effect of lighting of the
building with the design from above
I'm not sure that the patrons of the hotel would like a bright light shining directly into their windows...
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RBB wrote:I'm not sure that the patrons of the hotel would like a bright light shining directly into their windows.
True, but lighting on the western wall of the 917 building as it's been used on other historic downtown buildings like the Bankers Lofts, The Meridian, and the Renaissance Suites would still look nice IMHO.
I think the "green wall" to shield the parking garage is a great idea as well.
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Every time I look at the rendering I did I like the logo on the wall less and less. I like the idea, but it's not working for my rendering. Here is a new one, simpler, cleaner, and focusing on celebrating the structural grid. The darker red portion attempts to be an expression of the front, visually bending around the corner to express the front facade on the side of the building. I think its nice and simple and does a decent job of representing the proportions of the building.
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ThreeOneFour wrote:RBB wrote:I'm not sure that the patrons of the hotel would like a bright light shining directly into their windows.
True, but lighting on the western wall of the 917 building as it's been used on other historic downtown buildings like the Bankers Lofts, The Meridian, and the Renaissance Suites would still look nice IMHO.
I think the "green wall" to shield the parking garage is a great idea as well.
Agreed. That green wall looks fantastic.
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STL63101 wrote:already forwarded it to him...he's not a fan
BTW, thanks for doing that.
Throwing out ideas is one thing, but getting them in front of those that can do something about it, makes this forum awewsome!!
Someday, one of our ideas will be implemented....