Looks good!
DeBaliviere wrote:Nice! I like the fact that they're keeping the original style of windows.
Not only are they keeping the orginal style, they are actually keeping the original windows. They are just repairing, repainting, and putting new glass in the original metal frames.
All of the units appear to be completely framed and now awaiting drywall and rough ins. About 1/3 of the windows are in.
This is exciting. It should be a very good property for people looking for a unique urban environment on a restrictive budget.
Drove buy on my way home, oh my God, this development is a sight for sore eyes. Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night after dreaming of this perfect urban environment downtown. You know what I mean - the place where people of all races, ages, and income brackets live together in perfect harmony. There's public transportation to get everywhere, awesome entertainment and night life, no crime, and respect among all citizens. The reason I wake up is that my dark side knows this is a pipe dream, but after seeing projects like this, I can't help think its all within reach! Someone get me another beer . . .
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Wow great pics, I cant wait until this project is finished!!! 
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Has anyone been by this project recently? I'm assuming everything is still on track...
I was there for the Rams tailgating We tailgate where the Bottleworks is supposed to go in. That parking lot is a huge eyesore for now.
Anyway, this Neighborhood Gardens look awesome. They have flower pots with Yellow Mums on all balconies and it looked beautiful.
There is a 15 story building on 6th and Cole adjacent to these, but that has had no work done to it. As a matter of fact, it might still be a Section 8 building. I do not know if the city will get residents in these "new" apartments right next to a Section 8. Then again, I have never lived near one and have only heard it is bad, so may be completely wrong.
Anyway, this Neighborhood Gardens look awesome. They have flower pots with Yellow Mums on all balconies and it looked beautiful.
There is a 15 story building on 6th and Cole adjacent to these, but that has had no work done to it. As a matter of fact, it might still be a Section 8 building. I do not know if the city will get residents in these "new" apartments right next to a Section 8. Then again, I have never lived near one and have only heard it is bad, so may be completely wrong.
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The Neighborhood Gardens is in the December issue of Planning an American Planning Association magazine. It talks about the history and architecture. Did you know Neighborhood Gardens is Bauhaus architecture with St. Louis brickwork? It was also one of the few public housing places built before the 1937 Public Housing initiative. The article continued about the history of public housing around NG like Cochran Gardens which has been leveled for mixed income housing, but NG remained nicer than Cochran. Also talk of segreggation at NG being white only for several decades until 1965 when it switched to entirely black. It also talked about its conversion with into housing again from over 200 original units into over 100 units to match current consumer expectations. All in all, very positive and glad to read. The whole December issue is a special one on affordable housing.
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JCity wrote:
You guys are horrible! Enough negativity and down talk.
Public Housing is no longer the same as Pruitt Igoe or Darte Webb
Columbus Square is wonderful, located north of downtown, and is mixed income housing. Mixed income is not 50/50 or 60/40 but more like 25% "affordable" and 75% standard market competition.
so is this market rate or public housing? Public housing I assume?
You guys are horrible! Enough negativity and down talk.
Public Housing is no longer the same as Pruitt Igoe or Darte Webb
Columbus Square is wonderful, located north of downtown, and is mixed income housing. Mixed income is not 50/50 or 60/40 but more like 25% "affordable" and 75% standard market competition.
^ You know, to be fair I have seen developers/ designers/ heard urban theorists talk about the best ratio of affrodable to market rate housing.
In New jersey, the thrid round COAH method puts the ratio at something like: 8 new market rate units creates the need for 1 affordable unit. Thats 1:9 or around 11% affordable if the affordable units were included in the development. Others have said no more than 20%. I don't know what is right, but I also do know that I don't have a positive impression of the "mixed income" community just north of the Ed or just south Laffeyett Square.
I have just never gotten the impression that the City truely understand the value of reducing concentrated poverty and that the "mixed income" communities built around town don't really seem to further this goal.
In New jersey, the thrid round COAH method puts the ratio at something like: 8 new market rate units creates the need for 1 affordable unit. Thats 1:9 or around 11% affordable if the affordable units were included in the development. Others have said no more than 20%. I don't know what is right, but I also do know that I don't have a positive impression of the "mixed income" community just north of the Ed or just south Laffeyett Square.
I have just never gotten the impression that the City truely understand the value of reducing concentrated poverty and that the "mixed income" communities built around town don't really seem to further this goal.
Sorry SMS, I'm not trying to be negative. My goal/dream/whatever is the ultimate success and comeback of St. Louis. Building low income housing left and right is NOT going to attract more people here, but I honestly believe is a huge sucking sound off the city itself. The idea that "no, this time it's really going to work.." is almost comical. We have a downtown core that is ringed with "affordable housing". Why does this need to be downtown? sure, some of it is fine, and I suppose "inevitable" but my goal of market rate townhouses surrounding downtown should be the goal of the city. Look at all the success of Soulard, Lafayette Park, etc. Success is not being built by goverment housing (ok, tax credits helped!) but rather the free market system. I know this theory isn't popular with many in here, but its how cities grow and how they are created. An endless cycle of socialist, heavily government subsidized housing of the last 50 + years has not treated the city well.You guys are horrible! Enough negativity and down talk.
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Okay JCity I see you,
I agree that downtown should be ringed by successful neighborhoods and probably well off as in Europe.
What does not help is that the mixed income housing is being built where the "projects" used to be located. Thus the land is already owned and in HUD or government hands. Hence, the ease at rebuilding for affordable housing there.
In high school (MAryland Heights), I had a friend who played the cello who lived in the Columbus Square. She was black middle class and I asked her about the housing. She responded that her mother liked living there and found the housing desirable. She will be completing her bachelor's degree this May and seems to prefer fashionable, urban places. Whether we lose her to the brain gain phenomenon that is attracting our well-educated black young professionals (to the south) is another story.
I agree that downtown should be ringed by successful neighborhoods and probably well off as in Europe.
What does not help is that the mixed income housing is being built where the "projects" used to be located. Thus the land is already owned and in HUD or government hands. Hence, the ease at rebuilding for affordable housing there.
In high school (MAryland Heights), I had a friend who played the cello who lived in the Columbus Square. She was black middle class and I asked her about the housing. She responded that her mother liked living there and found the housing desirable. She will be completing her bachelor's degree this May and seems to prefer fashionable, urban places. Whether we lose her to the brain gain phenomenon that is attracting our well-educated black young professionals (to the south) is another story.
I haven't seen this posted here yet, so here's the official site: http://www.gannonproperties.com/neighbo ... dens.shtml
My favorite mystery feature: "Intricate Concrete Walls"
My favorite mystery feature: "Intricate Concrete Walls"
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Has anyone else checked these out? I moved here about 2 months ago. I did a lot of research on choosing a place. Right now I'm a student and work as a planner (intern) for a community on the east side, so of course I don't make enough to pay $1000 for a loft yet I plan to graduate in next semester and so I'll soon exceed income limitations for "affordable" lofts at Paul Brown, etc. The proximity to everything downtown is great. I have friends that live on Washington...it is a very quick walk over there. I'm most attracted to the arch/riverfront and bike trail, so this location was probably more ideal for me than anything on Washington.
The Dome has quickly become an enemy after being here a couple of months. It's a horrible thing to look out to every day. But it's at the side...my main view is Lumiere and the old power plant. Nice to see the progress at Lumiere every day. They have 24 hour courtesty patrol here, for those worried about the area, because I completely understand. I have a boston terrier and I think that helps. It is amazing to see how afraid people are of the dog. They are working on completing the gated parking, but for the time being I have had my car parked on the street with no issues thus far. Just wondering if any other students out there have considered this place. Would be nice to have someone with similar interests over here.
For the most part, only the 7th street side is occupied while they are finishing up the others.
The Dome has quickly become an enemy after being here a couple of months. It's a horrible thing to look out to every day. But it's at the side...my main view is Lumiere and the old power plant. Nice to see the progress at Lumiere every day. They have 24 hour courtesty patrol here, for those worried about the area, because I completely understand. I have a boston terrier and I think that helps. It is amazing to see how afraid people are of the dog. They are working on completing the gated parking, but for the time being I have had my car parked on the street with no issues thus far. Just wondering if any other students out there have considered this place. Would be nice to have someone with similar interests over here.
For the most part, only the 7th street side is occupied while they are finishing up the others.Congrats on the new home. I didn't realize that these places were open already.
BTW, my understanding is that some of the income-restricted apartments around downtown allow you to keep living there, even if your income eventually exceeds the maximum. In other words, once you're in, you get to stay in. That's what I hear, anyway.
BTW, my understanding is that some of the income-restricted apartments around downtown allow you to keep living there, even if your income eventually exceeds the maximum. In other words, once you're in, you get to stay in. That's what I hear, anyway.
Any specifics? That would be very valuable information.Framer wrote:BTW, my understanding is that some of the income-restricted apartments around downtown allow you to keep living there, even if your income eventually exceeds the maximum. In other words, once you're in, you get to stay in. That's what I hear, anyway.
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Thanks.
I have a friend at Art Lofts that said basically once you're in, you're in but I read in another thread yesterday that income is verified annually, so basically I'm hearing two different stories.
I have a friend at Art Lofts that said basically once you're in, you're in but I read in another thread yesterday that income is verified annually, so basically I'm hearing two different stories.
Just thought I'd mention...NG is having an open house Sunday between 11 and 1 I believe, just in case anyone that's tailgating wants to check it out.
Yes, and any updates about your experiences living there? I am curious to see how this project is going.
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I have a lot of interior photos from property visits I made before I moved there...but I'm too stoopid to figure out how to post them on here You can shoot a PM with your email addy and I'll share with ya.
You can shoot a PM with your email addy and I'll share with ya.