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PostMay 09, 2022#26

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I think a lot of that makes sense. 

My question was kind of inspired by noticing that Martinsville Speedway, the smallest track in all of NASCAR at just over a half-mile, hosts a 400-mile race. It made me wonder if the 300-mile race in St. Louis is kind of a trial to see how the market draws for the event. 
Martinsville I am pretty sure is 400 LAPS not miles.

Usually I think they go by miles in the number on the bigger tracks (Daytona 500) and laps for the number on smaller tracks. Whichever is bigger.
Martinsville get 2 race dates a year. Spring and Fall. Just this year they reduced the spring race to 400 laps instead of the usual 500 in an effort to reduce length/time of races. The Fall date is still 500 laps though. 
NASCAR has addressed the long races and they're trying to reduce race lengths across the board mainly because people don't have the patience/desire to view a 3-4 hour race every week like they did ~20 years ago. I think this factored into the decision to make the Gateway race 240 laps/300 miles because since it's a new venue to the Cup Series without any history, they have a clean slate to work with so they chose to make the race 240 laps. With that being said, 240 laps around Gateway is a long time. I go to the trucks race every year and they race 160 laps and that race is almost 3 hours long so I think with the cautions, that this race will be closer to 3.5 hours. 

As a rule of thumb, all races are made to fit within the 3-4 hour window. This is based on track lap time, amount of wrecks that the track usually has, and overall hype of the event. Obviously the Coca-Cola 600 or Daytona 500 are marquee races throughout the year so they're gonna go beyond this time window, but a track like Gateway, that is relatively flat and has roughly a 30 second lap time, and does usually have a decent amount of cautions, will have fewer laps which will result in the race lasting between 3-4 hours.

Very long-winded answer lol.

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PostMay 26, 2022#27

Kansas Speedway was 85,00 seats in 2005, around half that today. NASCAR tracks have been removing seats for the past decade.

I’d say the noticeable impact of having the races in KC is minimal. You see some fans downtown or in other shopping districts but not as big of a boost as conventions/other sports. downtown STL nascar event is a great idea! Gets the races on people’s minds and makes a presence for the event. Downtown STL is much better poses to get room nights vs downtown KC.


My guess is die hard fans are camping or bringing an RV. Most of the fans are local to the region.

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PostMay 29, 2022#28

StlToday - The comeback: How St. Louis landed one of NASCAR’s biggest races

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... -top-story

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PostMay 30, 2022#29

Was looking at possible last minute tickets. Not much left.

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PostMay 31, 2022#30

There was literally 1 ticket remaining when I checked this morning. Gonna be great to see a sellout crowd of 80,000+ on raceday! Also, just saw that the suite tower has a facade upgrade and looks so much better.

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PostMay 31, 2022#31

Which race/track lost its spot that allowed Gateway to take over?

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PostMay 31, 2022#32

dweebe wrote:
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Which race/track lost its spot that allowed Gateway to take over?
Pocono Organics CBD 325 
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PostMay 31, 2022#33

Problem is, the overall NASCAR schedule is waaaaaaaaaaaay too long. There's only two months off between seasons. I really think they need to drop a few dates.

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PostMay 31, 2022#34

BuildItStLouis wrote:There was literally 1 ticket remaining when I checked this morning. Gonna be great to see a sellout crowd of 80,000+ on raceday! Also, just saw that the suite tower has a facade upgrade and looks so much better.
Lots of seats on SeatGeek and StubHub. ~$100 starting

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PostMay 31, 2022#35

framer wrote:
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Problem is, the overall NASCAR schedule is waaaaaaaaaaaay too long. There's only two months off between seasons. I really think they need to drop a few dates.
It's a slippery slope to talk about the schedule length. The early days of NASCAR had 48 races a year and was slimmed down to 36 in the 80s because 48 was no longer viable for the expanding series. Shrinking the season length even more would result in eliminating track dates and right now there are more tracks than ever trying to get a cup series date (portland, gateway, chicagoland, canda tire, mid-ohio, etc) so I don't think really possible. Plus, NASCAR's income would take a huge hit from it and I think that's what it really comes down to. I personally think the season length is perfect. 9 months of racing pretty much every weekend from February to November. Every year flies by too! I can't believe they're already past the first third of this season.

Side note: the reason Pocono lost a date for Gateway is because Pocono and Gateway are two of three tracks not owned by the SMI or ISC, which are NASCAR sanctioned tracks (Indianapolis is the third) so since NASCAR doesn't want one of their tracks to lose a date, they just replaced a race at a privately-owned track with another one.

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ldai_phs wrote:
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BuildItStLouis wrote:There was literally 1 ticket remaining when I checked this morning. Gonna be great to see a sellout crowd of 80,000+ on raceday! Also, just saw that the suite tower has a facade upgrade and looks so much better.
Lots of seats on SeatGeek and StubHub. ~$100 starting
Fine, 100 seats left

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PostMay 31, 2022#37

Ummm only going to miss the race by about 2 weeks


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PostMay 31, 2022#38

BuildItStLouis wrote:
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framer wrote:
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Problem is, the overall NASCAR schedule is waaaaaaaaaaaay too long. There's only two months off between seasons. I really think they need to drop a few dates.
It's a slippery slope to talk about the schedule length. The early days of NASCAR had 48 races a year and was slimmed down to 36 in the 80s because 48 was no longer viable for the expanding series. Shrinking the season length even more would result in eliminating track dates and right now there are more tracks than ever trying to get a cup series date (portland, gateway, chicagoland, canda tire, mid-ohio, etc) so I don't think really possible. Plus, NASCAR's income would take a huge hit from it and I think that's what it really comes down to. I personally think the season length is perfect. 9 months of racing pretty much every weekend from February to November. Every year flies by too! I can't believe they're already past the first third of this season.

Side note: the reason Pocono lost a date for Gateway is because Pocono and Gateway are two of three tracks not owned by the SMI or ISC, which are NASCAR sanctioned tracks (Indianapolis is the third) so since NASCAR doesn't want one of their tracks to lose a date, they just replaced a race at a privately-owned track with another one.
Did something change at Chicagoland? Last I heard, that place donzo. To be demoed for light industrial and warehouse which are exploding in that area

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PostJun 01, 2022#39

They sold some of the land next to the track to a developer, but it did not include any of the track itself (if I recall correctly, there was confusion because the original development plan showed the original plat to be sold which did include part of the track, but the plat was subdivided).

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PostJun 01, 2022#40

No, none of the track property has been sold, only adjacent land for an industrial park. The track has been keeping the property in really good condition because I think there are rumors about it coming back in the near future. Unlike Kentucky, Chicagoland actually had good racing but the pandemic forced NASCAR to skip the track in 2020 and they just haven't been back since. Here is an article about how Phoenix could lose a date for Chicagoland: https://www.wjol.com/nascar-could-be-co ... to-joliet/

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PostJun 04, 2022#43

Looks like we'll have good weather for Sunday's race. Sure wish it were on Fox, though; I don't have any kind of pay-TV.

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