Issued. Did I miss this going to the Preservation Board? What's going on?quincunx wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2024$800k building permit application submitted for INT/EXT ALTERATIONS (CONVERT COMMERCIAL TO 4 FAMILY PR PLNS)
Confusing, surely it's still demo and build new.
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^ As there are no design standards in TGS and the auto shop/sales building is non-contributing to the Oak Hill historic district I don't think it has to go before the Preservation Board. Same as the old car wash that made way for the 3172 Morgan Ford building, where I believe just CRO staff reviewed it.
Couldn't use the alley instead of a curb cut off Morgan Ford?
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Needs to be full brick along arsenal 
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Fine. Big improvement over existing land use. Strengthens the neighborhood.
I’m not sure the obsession we have with breaking up massing of gentle density. I don’t understand the trend of alternating cladding of different materials. Also, dont get the trend of grey brick. If not going to go classic st. louis red clay, might as well use color. I hate when people commit atrocities of painting over actual beautiful mason work, but if we are going to go with these grey brick facades without masonry details, then I will be fine with people painting these grey facades later to create a more vibrant street facade.
Yes, entrance on alley makes much more sense. There is already a curb ramp on Morganford so I’m sure the reason.
There is actually a collection of siding homes on Arsenal to the west of this site, which is quite rare for south city. Not sure the history of how that happened?
I’m not sure the obsession we have with breaking up massing of gentle density. I don’t understand the trend of alternating cladding of different materials. Also, dont get the trend of grey brick. If not going to go classic st. louis red clay, might as well use color. I hate when people commit atrocities of painting over actual beautiful mason work, but if we are going to go with these grey brick facades without masonry details, then I will be fine with people painting these grey facades later to create a more vibrant street facade.
Yes, entrance on alley makes much more sense. There is already a curb ramp on Morganford so I’m sure the reason.
There is actually a collection of siding homes on Arsenal to the west of this site, which is quite rare for south city. Not sure the history of how that happened?
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^Saw some digging being done on this one that seemed to have happened yesterday - right in front of the current building.
There is no alley behind the property. There is a building just to the south which breaks up an otherwise continuous alley between Grand and Kingshighway.
You'd probably rather have people turning on and off of Arsenal at the Morgan Ford signaled intersection than an alley directly onto Arsenal 100 feet from an intersection with a turn lane and bicycle lane.
No need for all brick here...
You'd probably rather have people turning on and off of Arsenal at the Morgan Ford signaled intersection than an alley directly onto Arsenal 100 feet from an intersection with a turn lane and bicycle lane.
No need for all brick here...
Was it once a gas station? Maybe getting the underground fuel tank. Sure would be nice if drivers and gas station owners had to pay to clean up their industry's messes.pattimagee wrote: ↑Feb 27, 2025^Saw some digging being done on this one that seemed to have happened yesterday - right in front of the current building.
^ You ask and you shall receive...
Missouri has an insurance fund to pay for a large amount of underground tank removal and/or contamination from previously removed tanks.
Missouri Petroleum Storage Tank Insurance Fund
Missouri has an insurance fund to pay for a large amount of underground tank removal and/or contamination from previously removed tanks.
Missouri Petroleum Storage Tank Insurance Fund
Good to see. Can a developer in a situation like this get a claim approved?
Yes. Helps to have a environmental consultant with experience in the actual clean-up and this program. Wouldn't try to go it alone. Fees for the consultant can be part of the claim.
Looks great. Brick the balcony area would be my only suggestion.
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Looks really solid. Strong add to the neighborhood.
Cut, copy, paste to every underutilized lot in South City.
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There is an alley along the west side of the property.TalkinDev wrote: ↑Feb 27, 2025There is no alley behind the property.
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Demo happening this morning - I'd wager this thing is already down by now since this was an hour or so ago
A great day when a low-productivity auto-oriented land use is razed.! 
NextStl - Four Townhomes coming to Morgan Ford and Arsenal
https://nextstl.com/2025/03/four-townho ... d-arsenal/
https://nextstl.com/2025/03/four-townho ... d-arsenal/
Chicago has a ton of these.addxb2 wrote: ↑Mar 04, 2025Cut, copy, paste to every underutilized lot in South City.
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