I like to visit Miami Beach twice a year and I can say that in no way does Miami Beach compare retail and residential wise to St Louis.



But Miami downtown and Miami Beach are 2 different worlds. I wonder if St Louis could deal with the issues on such a larger scale as the problems in Miami.  ALL IN ALL we dont have it so bad and I dont think it was ever as bad as described in the Herald article.



The fact that downtown St Louis is seeing a rebuilding is a means to see lots more investment in our region. Investors WILL put money toward a growing downtown and hesitate as described in the article about downtown Miami. Cheer up folks it could be a lot worse  :D

 Progress on revitalizing downtown Miami seems elusive as filthy streets, homeless people and rundown luggage and electronics shops dominate the once grand Flagler Street.

BY MARTHA BRANNIGAN

mbrannigan@MiamiHerald.com



AL DIAZ/MIAMI HERALD STAFF

Dorothy Mightley pushes her shopping cart filled with belongings past two Macy's employees on break in downtown Miami.

Audio slide show | Miami: The mess downtown

Document | Transcript of speech by Julie Greiner

As a lawyer who has worked in Miami's downtown for 35 years, John MacDaniel has had a bird's-eye view of attempts at revitalization.



He hasn't seen much progress. ''It's about the same as when I got here, unfortunately,'' MacDaniel said in an impromptu sidewalk interview Friday on Flagler Street.



''It needs more shops, more cafes, a more people-friendly environment,'' he said. ``I think it's a no-brainer to fix up the downtown.''

 



full article link



http://www.miamiherald.com/103/story/133961.html

Good article, but I think the subject line/title of this thread should be changed to reflect this is Miami we're talking about.

That better?

thank you



just thought I would post this because of the similarities in the story and what we may have heard about downtown St Louis in the past.



I am glad that things have changed for us and we are growing and vibrant!!

If Miami Will Be Underwater, Why Is Construction Booming?

Miami Beach could be mostly underwater within eighty years, but construction of new beachfront properties is booming. What’s behind this disconnect? To find out, writer Sarah Miller went undercover posing as a high end buyer to meet with real estate agents across the city. Here’s the story of what she found.

The essay is read by actor Julia Louis-Dreyfus, as excerpted from the star-studded audiobook for All We Can Save.

If Amsterdam has survived being below sea level forever, and Rotterdam is getting by being right at sea level, I could see Miami adapting to stay above the water when the time comes. It might not be the prettiest way to keep the water out, but they'll figure it out. All those development and tourist dollars going into Miami-Dade should end up leaving them with a fat bank account for water mitigation projects, coastal levee build ups, and so on. I'm sure they're already having discussions about this issue too. The one area of Miami that will likely be completely lost no matter what is Miami Beach.

I'm also not downplaying the issue. Most people know that sea levels will rise over the next century, but despite what is shown in the scenarios, I don't think the sea level rise will be as drastic as predicted. Yes, it'll be bad, but I don't think it will leave all of Miami, Florida, or coastal communities here in the U.S. completely underwater. They'll still likely be habitable, just things will have to be adjusted to keep life going as normal as it can be.

https://coast.noaa.gov/slr/#/layer/slr/ ... dAccretion

Lastly, I think the far bigger issue right now is affordability. As the sea levels rise, developers are starting to look to what have been traditionally poorer neighborhoods, which sit on higher ground, for their next big investments. Being there for a few days, with the intention to go back to explore Little Haiti and Little Havana, the housing costs there would mean that most people living in a city like St. Louis or Kansas City would likely be poor. House and condo costs are outrageous and the most expensive apartment in Downtown Miami is $20k per month at the Bezel at Miami World Center. Absolutely wild stuff.

Unfortunately the difference between the Netherlands and Miami is that Miami is built upon porous limestone which causes seawater to just bubble up from the ground. Plus being far closer to the equator means seas will rise faster than their northern counterparts.

I love Miami it's a fantastic city filled with culture and vibrancy, but when 2050 comes around and massive sections of the city are seeing 200+ days a year of daylight floods I just don't see the momentum carrying on. Not to mention how salt water intrusion affects the foundations of the countless concrete condo buildings. 

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑

Jan 19, 2022

Unfortunately the difference between the Netherlands and Miami is that Miami is built upon porous limestone which causes seawater to just bubble up from the ground. Plus being far closer to the equator means seas will rise faster than their northern counterparts.

I love Miami it's a fantastic city filled with culture and vibrancy, but when 2050 comes around and massive sections of the city are seeing 200+ days a year of daylight floods I just don't see the momentum carrying on. Not to mention how salt water intrusion affects the foundations of the countless concrete condo buildings. 

Yep, Miami is already crumbling. If it were possible to save it, it would require foresighted leadership from the same guys who can't even figure out that mass illness and disability is bad for business.

Funny thing about your equatorial point is, I think Iceland is actually projected to gain land area as the sea is pulled toward the equator by the loss of ice caps.

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑

Jan 19, 2022

Unfortunately the difference between the Netherlands and Miami is that Miami is built upon porous limestone which causes seawater to just bubble up from the ground. Plus being far closer to the equator means seas will rise faster than their northern counterparts.

I love Miami it's a fantastic city filled with culture and vibrancy, but when 2050 comes around and massive sections of the city are seeing 200+ days a year of daylight floods I just don't see the momentum carrying on. Not to mention how salt water intrusion affects the foundations of the countless concrete condo buildings. 

...that and the constant threat of hurricanes.

At some point, the insurance industry will make it difficult to live in Miami.

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑

Jan 19, 2022

Not to mention how salt water intrusion affects the foundations of the countless concrete condo buildings. 

Yep. We're still not yet 9 months removed from this horrifying catastrophe that took nearly 100 lives...

DTGstl314 wrote: ↑

Feb 17, 2022

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑

Jan 19, 2022

Not to mention how salt water intrusion affects the foundations of the countless concrete condo buildings. 

Yep. We're still not yet 9 months removed from this horrifying catastrophe that took nearly 100 lives...

Looks like the rhetoric is about to switch abruptly from "it's premature to do anything" to "it's too late to do anything".

In today's conspicuous consumption department, they're getting ready to break ground on the 62-story Bentley Residences.

Not only will each unit have its own private outdoor terrace, but each will also have its own heated outdoor pool.

Oh, and an elevator that brings your car right to the front door of your unit.

Need space for project managers to do their email jobs.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... rcna233235

Most urbanist presidential library....?

Crazy. It is right next to the airport.

whitherSTL wrote: ↑

2:34 PM - 21 days ago

Crazy. It is right next to the airport.

Literally, right next to it, thru me all this past weekend when I saw it, I was like no way that close!!