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PostJun 18, 2022#776

In the first 3 months of 2022, there were 111 incidents on metrolink, 66 of those at the north Hanley station.  Large majority of those and the 111 are car break ins, crimes persons are maybe 20? .  Think about it, if you're going to break in or steal a car what better place then a metrolink park and ride lot- car owner is gone 7-9 hours and almost nobody there after 9am or before 3pm.      So how does enclosing the platforms fix this?  It doesn't    

What drives perception of "crime" on metrolink?   The show piece crimes- shootings and those happen how often?  Once a year? Once every 18 months?   Will closing the system stop those? Of course not:    There are plenty of legit things some of this $52m will be spent on like better lighting, cameras etc.  but the way this is being sold is just going to lead to its failure when the next shooting happens

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PostJun 18, 2022#777

Amen.
I worry that after these measures are implemented, and there is another high profile crime, the calls to shutter the system will grow. "Unfixable" they'll say.

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PostJun 19, 2022#778

Good point. Also, a fair number of shootings have been in the parking lots and adjacent property.

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PostJun 19, 2022#779

I do agree that large unsecuee parking lots are major problem and generator of crime in St. Louis. Developing the Hanley lot and other lots in the system would be a huge benefit to crime reduction near Metrolink. More eyes on the street (or rather station) is usually a bigger deterrence to crime.

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PostJun 19, 2022#780

I do agree that large unsecuee parking lots are major problem and generator of crime in St. Louis.
As are large employee parking lots e.g. Amazon

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PostAug 16, 2022#781

KMOX has been airing a report all morning of a reporter asking people if there should be metal detectors for Metrolink. I wager hell will freeze over before they'd ask drivers whether there should be car searches for guns to enter a highway, given the numerous shootings that occur on area highway.

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PostAug 17, 2022#782

Isn't it state law that you can bring a gun on public transit? So what is an unstaffed metal detector going to solve?

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PostAug 17, 2022#783

IIRC, the MO House passed that this session, but the Senate did not. Regardless Bi-State was created by the US Gov't, so it wouldn't apply to Metrolink. 

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PostSep 09, 2022#784

Metro Transit and Partners See Additional Progress on Creating a Safer Transit System
https://www.metrostlouis.org/nextstop/m ... yJuVHPmox0
MetroLink boardings increased 26 percent from Quarter 2 of 2021 to Quarter 2 of 2022 as people returned to work, school and recreational activities that were cancelled or held virtually previously because of the COVID-19 pandemic. A total of 177 incidents were reported, up from 160 in Quarter 1. Incidents per MetroLink boardings during Quarter 2 were 10 per 100,000 boardings (.0001).  The majority (71%) of the incident reports in Quarter 2 2022 were self-initiated and generated by proactive policing. That is up from 66% for all of 2021.

A large number of the incidents were for Standard of Conduct (62%); followed by Violent Crime (34%), and Property Crime (4%). Weapon violations accounted for 44% of the violent offense types and were likely the result of proactive crime-fighting initiatives targeting known “hot-spots.”
Sounds like the turnstiles break ground next Fall.

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PostSep 10, 2022#785

I'm trying desperately to convince my wife that the thing isn't the seventh circle of hell, but every time she sets foot on it someone completely stoned does something stupid (but not genuinely dangerous to her.) Last weekend it was someone swinging from the grab rails like they were monkey bars on a playground. Not dangerous, but odd, and it spooked her. And then she brings up the gal that was killed in our neighborhood a couple of years ago by someone who followed her, apparently from the bus. I dutifully point out that there are far more people killed in traffic accidents, but to no avail. The system is honestly fine. Safe, clean, and modern. But there are some people who will always see strangeness and think its scary, who don't want to be near poor people, or people who are intoxicated. (Better that they ride the bus than drive, mind, but . . . sometimes there's no winning.)

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PostSep 14, 2022#786

Sheriff Betts is talking metal detectors for Metrolink after a Sheriff's deputy was stabbed. Metro is considering it.  KMOX reports.

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PostSep 14, 2022#787

Eh, I think they’re just paying lip service to the Sheriff (and scared older folks that listen to KMOX, that probably don’t even ride MetroLink).

Turnstiles are one thing but realistically how would magnetometers work within the system?  Gonna hire a couple of folks to monitor each entrance and exit and wand anyone that sets the alarm off?  If they do find a weapon are they also going staff every station with a police officer to detain them? Imagine trying to get into the Stadium station after a Cardinal game.  You’d have to have multiple people staffed at each station at all times.  Honestly, that (plus the magnetometers themselves) would likely cost more than turnstiles.  Logically it just doesn’t make much sense.

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PostSep 14, 2022#788

Was going to say the same thing. 

Metrolink already struggles to staff security. There is no feasible way they could do this. 

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PostSep 15, 2022#789

I view Metrolink as safe. However there can be some really annoying riders.

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PostSep 15, 2022#790

I’ve found that STL has way more annoying (and unsafe) drivers.

Public transit here has always been pretty easy in my opinion.  Which is why I’ll be riding it around town for my company’s national sales meeting that starts tomorrow and is being exclusively hosted among downtown venues.

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PostSep 15, 2022#791

The flood damage and resulting service degradation really does make metro feel a lot safer. This is something I've noticed for the past several years every time they'd limit the blue line in the evenings.

When there are no blue line trains east of forest park the red lines are much fuller and the rif raff is further outnumbered.

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PostSep 29, 2022#792

Taken Metro to / from the airport a couple times these last weeks and thought it was overall great.  They now have multiple cameras in each car, and a screen at front scrolls through the views in real time.  A pretty nice implementation IMO and certainly should alleviate some more sensitive individual's fears.

My big gripe is the T2 station.  Elevator is broken.  Anyone unable to navigate the stairs is forced to go to T1.  Brutal.  Also, the stairs themselves are tight, and a bum was hanging out on them each time I returned.  Not a great look if someone were visiting.  

Was pleasantly shocked by the number of passengers.  Most cars near full for most of my trips. 

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PostSep 29, 2022#793

WOW THE T2 ELEVATOR IS STILL BROKEN? THATS BEEN OUT OF SERVICE FOR MULTIPLE MONTHS!! UNACCEPTABLE!!

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PostSep 29, 2022#794

mikenewell48 wrote:WOW THE T2 ELEVATOR IS STILL BROKEN? THATS BEEN OUT OF SERVICE FOR MULTIPLE MONTHS!! UNACCEPTABLE!!
It really is completely unacceptable. It is a failure that really demonstrates either that Bi-State has sh*tty priorities and/or that their capacity to handle even basic infrastructure is slim. Frankly, I think it’s a bit of both.

I mean, come on now. Elevator and escalator tech isn’t anything new and it takes weeks or months for fixes at premier stations. It’s embarrassing and if you actually did need them, then being told to go to another terminal or a stop a mile or two away is probably enough to keep you from riding in the first place.

It’s one of the main things that has me concerned about any of the organizations future expansions. I am excited about the N/S line (if it ever happens), and I think it does need to happen, but my gosh, how do they think they can maintain more infrastructure than they have now? What investments are being made to that end?


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PostSep 29, 2022#795

In regards to the concerns above about elevator, I have spoke with metro staff and part of the issue is less time. Parts are simply ordered but months out from arrival.

Also rumor is that at forest park station they are going to reconfigure the mechanical so flooding doesn’t break everything again. Something about possibly having equipment for elevators on top of the shaft rather than below or at station level.

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PostSep 29, 2022#796

LArchitecture wrote:In regards to the concerns above about elevator, I have spoke with metro staff and part of the issue is less time. Parts are simply ordered but months out from arrival.

Also rumor is that at forest park station they are going to reconfigure the mechanical so flooding doesn’t break everything again. Something about possibly having equipment for elevators on top of the shaft rather than below or at station level.
I appreciate that and am happy you asked. That said, these problems aren’t even that new. We had similar issues pre-COVID. They should probably have extra parts anyway. Metro shouldn’t be operating on JIT supply chain principles with critical infrastructure, you know?


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PostSep 29, 2022#797

To be fair to Metro, these are pretty regular problems at most transit agencies across the country right now, especially with supply chain issues.

Also, it’s almost like Metro is focusing on the millions of dollars of flood damage that’s hobbled the Blue Line (which occurred over 2 months ago in late July). A lot more critical infrastructure involved there than a lightly used elevator at a lightly used station. As of 2011 less than 500 people used it per day…I bet it’s hundreds less today considering current ridership counts.  The system only counts roughly 22,000 daily riders as of Q2 of this year.  At one point it was over 64,000 per day.

On a personal note, I’ve stopped using the system since the transfer station flooded out. Selfish reasons…but I’d rather Metro focus on getting its second line back to full capacity on a regular schedule than an elevator issue at a lightly used station.

(Side note, does anyone know where to get that ridership information for individual stations?)

Take this quote from one of the nation’s “premier” transit operators (hard to write that seriously, the NYC subway might be the shittiest transit system in the world lol):
There were three escalators at the Washington Heights station, one of the deepest subway stations across all five boroughs, but now all three are suddenly off-limits. For weeks, only one escalator was down and two remained functional, with a fix promised by the end of May.

But signs showed up during the day Monday, informing riders that the escalators will not be replaced until Feb. 2023. The escalator project is part of the MTA's ongoing efforts to be considered "reliable" for riders.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/traffic/tran ... 496/?amp=1

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PostSep 30, 2022#798

The downtown Metrolink escalators are constantly broken, and it's been like that since long before COVID/supply chain issues were a thing.

This inability to fix things is concerning for the future when giant turnstiles will prevent you from boarding. What happens when those are down and nobody's around to let you in? Certainly they won't have a worker in a booth to buzz you in like in NYC, will they?

Three of the four TVM's at Union Station's west entrance don't accept credit cards, and this seems to be common at many of their machines. They haven't replied to emails, which makes me wonder if they're just letting the credit card functionality slowly die.

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PostSep 30, 2022#799

brianadler6545 wrote:
LArchitecture wrote:In regards to the concerns above about elevator, I have spoke with metro staff and part of the issue is less time. Parts are simply ordered but months out from arrival.

Also rumor is that at forest park station they are going to reconfigure the mechanical so flooding doesn’t break everything again. Something about possibly having equipment for elevators on top of the shaft rather than below or at station level.
I appreciate that and am happy you asked. That said, these problems aren’t even that new. We had similar issues pre-COVID. They should probably have extra parts anyway. Metro shouldn’t be operating on JIT supply chain principles with critical infrastructure, you know?


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To some extent I certainly agree but also I could understand why they don’t due to cost of replacement parts can be covered by insurance or warranty so why buy more. Additionally some of the parts can be larger so storage of them can be difficult.

Now that said, selfishly I do wish they had parts to fix it as carrying a bike or stroller down stairs isn’t fun. That or they really should just build a ramp for the forest park station somehow.

PostSep 30, 2022#800

eee123 wrote:The downtown Metrolink escalators are constantly broken, and it's been like that since long before COVID/supply chain issues were a thing.

This inability to fix things is concerning for the future when giant turnstiles will prevent you from boarding. What happens when those are down and nobody's around to let you in? Certainly they won't have a worker in a booth to buzz you in like in NYC, will they?

Three of the four TVM's at Union Station's west entrance don't accept credit cards, and this seems to be common at many of their machines. They haven't replied to emails, which makes me wonder if they're just letting the credit card functionality slowly die.
Forest park stations constantly go in and out of being able to use CC. Now if you have a smart phone and a CC you really should just be using the app. It’s quite convenient.

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