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Metro faces Referendum In Bond Sale

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PostSep 14, 2005#1

<A HREF="http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... F42">Delay could doom MetroLink line to Shrewsbury</A>

By Phil Sutin

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

09/13/2005




Metro will shut down construction of its MetroLink extension between Forest Park and Shrewsbury by about Oct. 15 if it cannot sell $150 million in bonds to finance a cost overrun, Larry Salci, president and chief executive officer of the transit agency, said Tuesday.



A petition in St. Louis County for a referendum on an ordinance related to the sale has blocked the bonds for now. If the St. Louis County Election Board finds the signatures valid, the action would hold up the bond sale until at least Oct. 26. If the petition effort succeeds, the referendum would be next Aug. 8.



Metro estimates it will be $9 million short of money needed to pay bills for the project by Oct. 31, Larry Salci, president and chief executive officer of the organization, said. "I am not going to enter into any obligation I can't pay for," he said Tuesday.



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PostSep 14, 2005#2

Why doesn't the city of Clayton pay for it since they wanted there ***** tunnel so bad.

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PostSep 14, 2005#3

Wow, can Metro's image sink any lower? I mean really, whats left other than a massive train/bus accident. If this is put up to a vote i don't know if metro will get the votes it wants, because no one seems to think there organization is any good. Its soooo pathetic.

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PostSep 14, 2005#4

Those pushing for this referendum are complete opportunistic obstructionists. Many petition backers are so bitter for having to have MetroLink in their fine affluent neighborhoods, that they'll jeopardize the entire fiscal solvency of the entire Metro system just to say "I told you so." Other County signers outside the Cross-County corridor are those not wanting any future MetroLink expansion in their part of the County, such that they don't care if they completely bankrupt the system. Finally, there are some complete saps who truly hope to preserve bus service that feel that stopping this project is the only way, when pushing out partial fare recovery of the extension (not even Grand bus fares cover its operations, but MetroLink has more than double the fare recovery of buses) will actually jeopardize the entire Metro system, buses included.



It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that time is money, and to stop and then restart this project will only further add to the costs of the project. Of course, some of these apathetic opponents being entirely against any transit, simply don't care if the project ever restarts or is finished, or what the consequences may be for existing transit. Ironically, many of the cost overruns originate in added design to appease those affluent Clayton/U-City folks seeking to put the line out of sight (when they really would prefer not to have it at all), when these same opponents are bitterly seeking to say "I told you so."



The original MetroLink line was originally planned to connect downtown and the airport via Clayton. However, opposition then in the County, led to the first line using the Wabash line, albeit to UMSL's and Wellston's benefit.



Still, planners hoped to add light-rail transit to our region's second largest employment center as well as reach areas south of I-64 and I-44, portions of our region not yet having MetroLink access. On the heels of the St. Clair County extension, area officials hoped to expedite the Cross-County extension to Clayton and I-44 by not competing for federal funds, but bonding the first Missouri extension with Prop M funds.



However, there were pros and cons to this local funding strategy. The pros were that the line could open sooner (believe it or not still much sooner than federal even with lapsed opening date) and no lawsuits could challenge the studied impacts of the line, as is possible when using federal funds. And let's just say that these affluent constituents in mid-county areas are rather litigious folks (sue-happy?).



The large con was that the designs would be more malleable unlike a federally funded project. Metro's hired project management consultants ultimately kept changing the design to appease area NIMBY's as well as second-guess planners that followed the usual federal process. Allegedly, the hired team now long fired and sued, tried to keep to a tight deadline while hiding the delays in their design changes. Thus, Metro exposed itself to higher costs, if its project managing consultant allowed construction to begin through major sub-contracts along five segmented sections of the new line.



Since firing its project managing consultants, however, Metro's own project team has sped up the project, such that it is now expected to open within a year, unlike the first feared 2007 timeframe when delays and alleged mismanagement were first discovered.



So in summary, unless the supporters of this petition are intending harm to our regional transit system, their concerns are misplaced. They would be much better off campaigning against a future tax levy proposal, from a quarter-cent to full one-cent for added MetroLink expansion in St. Louis City and County beyond Cross-County. Cross-County is more than halfway complete; less than one year remains, when construction begin over three years ago.



To stop now would waste all the money that has been invested into expanding MetroLink to Clayton and I-44, plus endanger the existing system. If the construction stops, it will be even more expensive to restart and finish. And the farther out the opening day for Cross-County becomes, the farther out the fare collections are possible on a line and improved system that is projected to have higher fare recovery once improved transit service to St. Louis County is complete and open.

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PostSep 14, 2005#5

Its amazing the visual progress made since the CCC was fired. I think if they weren't so deceptive this thing would be even further along...



It blows my mind that these people are actually trying to stop this...so instead of a functioning rail system they want an incomplete construction zone and staging area? What? Have these people lost their minds?



How big a mess will it be without FP Pkwy and 40 being rebuilt?



I hope Salci is right about this thing not being referendum eligible...

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PostSep 14, 2005#6

Complete lunacy. People can be so self-centered around here.

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PostSep 14, 2005#7

Thanks for the summary, southslider.



This kind of story really casts a shadow over my usual optimism for St. Louis. I forget that some people have no sense of civic pride and that everything is about their little (or big) plot of land on which their home rests. These people are hindering much needed progress of this extension. How will we ever see another expansion with opposition like this?



It really is saddening. Why can't people want what's good for St. Louis?

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PostSep 15, 2005#8

if the petition came to my door I think I would have stolen it and ripped it up

PostSep 15, 2005#9

didn't a subway in cinncinatti get derailed like this? Metro should bring that up in their defense.

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PostSep 15, 2005#10

Yes, Cincinnatti has an old subway tunnel under their downtown, but no train ever actually ran in it. There are tours of it a couple of times a year. That would be a good example for defense, plus the $500 million that has already been spent. I remember from an earlier article that it would cost $15 million just to bring all the equipment back to the site. A good portion already has track too.

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PostSep 15, 2005#11

My god, give me a break. This has done almost entirely good things for communities who recently opened new metrolinke stations. What are they all so scared of?

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PostSep 15, 2005#12

Southslider - thanks for breaking this down for us. I hope they keep the barbarians at bay.

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PostSep 15, 2005#13

The Stltoday article said:


Opponents of the extension last Friday gave the county council a petition Friday with about 950 signatures seeking a referendum on an ordinance.They need 500 valid signatures to delay the effective date of the ordinances until Oct. 26.


With a population of 1,016,315 (as of the 2000 census) in Saint Louis County, how can it take only 500 petition signers initiate a referendum :?:



That 0.05% of the total population. It sounds far too easy!

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PostSep 15, 2005#14

County vows to help keep MetroLink project going

By Shane Graber

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

09/14/2005





St. Louis County will make sure the region's struggling light-rail project gets built despite a financial mess that seems to grow bleaker by the day, officials said Wednesday.



The most recent wrinkle in ongoing struggle by the Metro public transportation agency to build an eight-mile extension of the MetroLink train line is an effort by a citizens group to block a $150 million bond sale needed to pay for cost overruns.



The head of Metro said this week that the effort to seek a public vote on issuing the bonds would kill the project, which would extend MetroLink tracks from Forest Park to Clayton and on to Shrewsbury.



But Mike Jones, the executive assistant to St. Louis County Executive Charlie A. Dooley, said officials already were scurrying to make sure funding remained available.



"We couldn't let the project come to a halt," Jones said. "We haven't figured out how to do that, but we're working on it. We know it's doable. We just don't know all the mechanics."



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PostSep 15, 2005#15

It's 70% complete! Just view the Forsyth, Galleria, Eager, Manchester, Sunnen, or Lansdowne stations, and you can plainly see the progress. Skinker, Big Bend and Central are a little harder to see, especially the two former since underground (the latter one within the parkway).



Plus, Metro project managers anticipate a September or October opening next year, if no interruptions. So, we're finally down to one year or less to opening day. This is less than an 18-month delay from what Metro initially expected of the CCC, but still sooner than what CCC recalculated once mismanagement of beginning construction without completed designs (redesigns in much second-guessing and NIMBY appeasement) came to light.



Indeed, the line will look complete next summer. It's all the station finishes and testing of the lines that result in a fall opening.



Due to such final details, the Parkway will actually reopen next year to traffic months before the line does. But I understand Metro threatening these anti-transit obstructionists with the Parkway and Highway 40, as it may be the only thing that these entirely auto-bound project opponents can grasp.

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PostSep 15, 2005#16

Opponents of the Extension...*sigh*



Sometimes I just don't understand how the human mind works at all. Real Estate around existing Metro Lines is going up because of the system, not down. Rational minded people are wanting to move as close to the existing lines as they can to make their commute a non-issue. I'm really doing all I can right now not to fly off the handle.



The only think about MetroLink that I'm opposed to is them not coming to my neighborhood!

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PostSep 16, 2005#17

This idea is ridiculous. Let's just spend more money fighting Cross County in court. It was stated earlier that this project is nearly 70% complete. I would like to know how many large public works projects came in on time and under budget. The new Lambert runway certainly didn't. I have a better idea, let's sue MoDOT for the delays and increased costs on the Olive/I-270 interchange since they should have known about the utilities! :wink:



If these people want to send a message then vote out the County Council members that were for MetroLink. I doubt this referendum will fly in any court. Hopefully.

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PostSep 16, 2005#18

Letter to Metro Employees from President & CEO Larry Salci re: Petition Drive



http://www.crosscountymetro.org/news/2005/DOC050915.pdf

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PostSep 16, 2005#19

While it is clear that suspending the extension would be both a horrible black eye for metro and the region, i think some could come out of all this. The idea of both better responsivness and accountablity from Metro would be welcomed by many in St. Louis and could go a long way to reviving the organizations image.

If people remember last year, the County Council used the psycic scandle to get more fiscal accountablity from the RCGA, which often seems to have frittered its money away on study after study, while seeing very little in acomplishment. I feel the outcome could be similar. I doubt the petition to halt construction would be sucessful, but the long term effects could be greater openess from Metro about both its finances and projects and a stronger relationship with the County Council.

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PostSep 16, 2005#20

And the referendum to stop the Page bridge extension made MODOT more accountable? Just like that referendum campaign, this is nothing more than a last ditch effort to stop the project, and the lead petitioners don't care about the consequences. In fact, many of Cross-County petition's signers belong to groups known to oppose any and all MetroLink expansion. Just as many Page petitioners were Sierra Club members, known to fight any and all new highways.



Plus, the County itself could be more open. The County has a dedicated sales tax fund intended for transit that it actually uses instead for roads and bridges, while the same tax in the City goes entirely to transit.



And ironically, it's Metro's very fiscal accountability to the public as to why this referendum threatens the project. If Metro wanted to risk the vote passing, it would continue construction without regard to the possibility of the bonds being recalled prematurely. Then, Metro would risk its other operations as well, having to come up with the debt finance somewhere.



Salci points to the October 15th date as a potential stopping date when the original $550 million runs out, conservatively protecting the other finances of Metro. Many of the construction outfits on the five segments of the build have filed claims due to delays. The additional $150 million protects Metro from futher claims, plus provides for other contracts to others, like station finishes.



Plus, put things in perspective. At the time of final engineering in December 2002 (but allegedly the design would keep changing) and prior to contracting construction contractors, the now fired CCC team then estimated $550 million total cost and an opening of May 2005. At the time of firing the CCC in 2004, the project was not even 50% complete, the new opening was then projected to be February 2007. But since taking over, Metro's is now only seeking $150 million more for a sped up September 2006 opening.



Mind you also that the $550 million has already been stretched from 2003 until next month, and the added $150 million will complete the remaining 30% of the project within a year. That's creatively stretching 20% of your new project cost ($700m) to cover the 30% remaining of your project, with claims and lawsuits on-going. And you think Metro's wasting money?



There are many public works projects with horrible cost overruns and delays, from Boston's Big Dig to The Chunnel. But this project doesn't even begin to compare, taking less than 30% more than originally planned each to cost or open.

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PostSep 20, 2005#21

Sigh! Disgusting to say the least. Who in their right mind would oppose metro. Yes it has cost overruns, but it's more the norm today then some aboration. I guess everyone feels good about gas coming back down because now they only have to work 3 hours a day to pay for the gas in their fuel hog. Remember though that it's only a few people trying to spoil it for everyone.

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PostSep 20, 2005#22

what are the chances of work actually coming to a halt? how powerful is this petition?

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PostSep 20, 2005#23

From The Post-Dispatch:



For nearly 15 years local gadfly Tom Sullivan has waged war on what he considers wasteful spending, railing against organizations such as the local sewer district and the region's transit agency.



He is persistent, sometimes annoying and often right.



Sullivan is the man behind the Public Transit Accountability Project, a group that says it wants to make Metro more accountable to taxpayers. Sullivan's latest battle could end up costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars if construction on MetroLink's cross-county extension is halted.



Publicly, Sullivan has doggedly pursued a referendum that would allow voters to decide the fate of $150 million in bonds needed to finish the Metro extension. The St. Louis County Election Board is expected today to validate his group's petition for a referendum.



If the signatures are validated, Sullivan has 40 days to collect the 27,000 signatures needed to put the issue on the ballot.



But privately, Sullivan has another plan in mind. According to e-mails recently obtained by the Post-Dispatch, Sullivan told Metro officials earlier this month that he doubts his group can win the fight and hoped an agreement could be reached. He offered to back off seeking a public vote if MetroLink can come up with $75,000 to hire a new "public transit officer."





A thorn in Metro's side





Sullivan has never been a fan of Metro. He worked on the campaign to oppose a quarter-cent sales tax increase earmarked for the extension in 1997 and since 2000 he has been a loud critic of the agency.



He said frustration with the situation led him and his fellow project members to seek the referendum.



Such an action would set back an eight-mile light rail extension that has already experienced delays. And if the issue makes it to the ballot, it could kill the extension. The effects of that would be felt throughout the region: A $682 million project might never get finished and a major corridor through the area could remain closed.



According to officials, as of Aug. 31, Metro has written checks for $479 million on the project. That money would essentially be thrown away.



"It will literally be a train to nowhere," said Mike Jones, executive assistant to St. Louis County Executive Charlie A. Dooley.



In the message sent to Metro Board Chairman Hugh Scott on Sept. 7, Sullivan writes that while there is "incredible hostility" with the cost overruns, "there is a feeling that the project should get completed."



In the message, Sullivan suggests the referendum could be avoided.



Ombudsman proposal

He offers a solution, something he calls a "Public Transit Officer." The position would be responsible for reviewing projects, conducting service studies and fielding customer complaints.



To pay for the new position - which he estimates will cost $75,000 annually - Sullivan recommends that the county cease doing business with the Community Program Development Corp., a consulting agency.



In an interview Monday, Sullivan said he was not interested in the job for himself.



Sullivan's backdoor bargaining has struck some area officials as careless and poorly timed.



"I don't think it is right to use the petition system when you have no intention or likelihood of prevailing," Jones said. "That is not what the system was intended for and to misuse it now is reckless."



Scott said in a telephone interview that he was unclear on the motive behind the e-mails.



"(Sullivan) has now made himself the focus of an effort that ultimately will cost the taxpayers a great deal of money," he said. "I'm not sure he's acting in the best interest of the taxpayers in that regard, accountability not withstanding.



"I don't get Tom. I've known him for 20 years, and I've never understood his motivation."



Scott said he didn't respond to Sullivan's invitation to negotiate.



"My conclusion was that he was trying to broker some kind of a deal because at some point he began to realize that this effort was ultimately going to cost the taxpayers a lot of money," Scott said. "My response to that was no response. I just ignored it."



Sullivan, who said his e-mails were in response to requests from Metro, said there is nothing wrong with trying to come to an accord.



"Some people in our group want (Metro chief) Larry Salci's head and some want Metro to say no more bond debt without voter approval. I told them that may be more than we could get," Sullivan said in his e-mail.



Sullivan said in Monday's interview that while he doubts his referendum would actually kill the extension, he was willing to work with officials to bring this situation to an end.



"We are trying to use this referendum to get some scrutiny, some accountability, some answers from Metro," he said. "A public transit officer was just one idea of how we could accomplish that."




End of the line?



The cross-county extension, which broke ground in April 2003, was supposed to open this spring. But last year, Metro officials fired and sued the construction and management team known as the Cross County Collaborative. Metro said the group's design problems led to missed deadlines and unexpected costs. The collaborative disagrees, and is countersuing the transit agency for $17 million. On Monday, a St. Louis County judge ordered the two sides to try to mediate their differences.



Metro announced in March that the project would run at least $96 million over the original $550 million budget. Some estimates have it now at $132 million in the red.



Salci has said that the effort to seek a public vote on issuing the bonds would ruin the project, which would extend MetroLink tracks from Forest Park to Clayton and on to Shrewsbury. The line now runs between Lambert Field and Scott Air Force Base.



Because the sale of the bonds will be stalled, Salci said Metro would stop building the extension on about Oct. 15. The agency, he said, would be out of money.



Even a temporary shutdown would delay the reopening of Forest Park Parkway, as well as keep trains moving slowly because northbound and southbound trains now share a single track through Forest Park, Salci said.



But St. Louis County officials have vowed to make sure the light-rail project gets built despite its financial problems.



One idea under review is to have the county borrow the money, lend it to Metro, then have the transit agency pay the county back.



Metro is asking the courts to determine whether the county ordinance supporting the bonds is subject to a referendum. A judge will hear the arguments Wednesday.



"To stop now, to leave that extension undone, would be borderline criminal," said the county's Jones. "We are too far along now to stop."



Me now:



This guy seems like a idiot to me.

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PostSep 20, 2005#24

For a guy so obsessed with accountability, it seems funny that he would try to force accountability by throwing away $500 million worth of tax dollars that he is supposedly fighting for the non waste of. How ironic, and idiotic. What pisses me off more is that a group of a few people can stop something this large, and so late in the game. :x :evil:

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PostSep 20, 2005#25

:( So sad for the transit haters. In the end, Metro will prevail. How will they sleep when trains are wizzing through Clayton filled with shoppers, commuters, and holidaymakers? They know this is a slippery slope that can only lead to one thing --- a cry from the public for more trains to more places. After years of trying to protect St. Louis from itself, their efforts will be for naught. That perfect world without transit is getting further and further from their grasp. But wait, there is hope, maybe Metro can be forced to hire a new officer for $75,000 annually :?: :?: :?:

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