Somebody please tell me metro bus doesn't actually stop right there....





how does a person even get to that?
and those lines you see are not sidewalks, its drainage lines

You risk your life. What indeed. Similar stop on 141 and Riverport. Try getting off at Lindbergh and Watson on the 21 and then go to the tile store south of Watson. It's a dangerous, inhumane thing we've built. But hey, it's all about cars.

I work right around there. Its a nightmare for basically everyone who uses this. Cars are basically on a freeway but the speed limit is 40 I believe. So when your on it you feel like 60-65MPH is reasonably safe and you end up getting a ticket.

The culinary institute is right around this stop. I have seen people literally be dropped off on the other side of Lindbergh, hop over the median which is basically a freeway median for some reason and walk over to the institute. Crazy that's what these kids have to do to get to school.

Lindbergh is probably the worst road I have ever seen planned -why the road needs entrance/exit ramps is absolutely beyond me.

why would metro put the stop there? logical thing would be to put it on Page and have the bus get off and back on...

why would metro put the stop there? i'm still trying to figure out why MoDOT put in a 2-ft bike lane on the road just south of the northbound to eastbound ramp.

mill204 wrote:why would metro put the stop there? i'm still trying to figure out why MoDOT put in a 2-ft bike lane on the road just south of the northbound to eastbound ramp.

best guess is because GRG asked them to?

^ Doubt that as MoDOT apparently installed the "bike lane" back in the year 2000, the same year GRG was voted into existence.

2000? very progressive thinking by MoDOT

dbInSouthCity wrote:why would metro put the stop there? logical thing would be to put it on Page and have the bus get off and back on...

I think they would have if the ramps to Page met at an intersection, so a bus could take the ramp up to Page and get right back on Lindbergh.

This demonstrates to me the futility of shoehorning transit into places built solely for cars. I feel so bad for people who have to deal with this everyday.

quincunx wrote:

dbInSouthCity wrote:why would metro put the stop there? logical thing would be to put it on Page and have the bus get off and back on...

I think they would have if the ramps to Page met at an intersection, so a bus could take the ramp up to Page and get right back on Lindbergh.

This demonstrates to me the futility of shoehorning transit into places built solely for cars. I feel so bad for people who have to deal with this everyday.

ok back to reality....but the ramps don't met at the intersection..., again so logically the bus should get off and back on instead of making people run for their lives.
see, simple solution....

There's no place anywhere near by on Page to turn around, so they're left with putting it on Lindbergh or wasting a ton of time

building turn around would be cheaper than a ski lift that is probably needed to get to a current stop safely

new pavement in blue to access back to the Lindbergh

This is only tangentially related, but I was just thinking the same thing about the Maryville University stop: Street View

This is a fairly popular stop, at least during peak drive times. I go by there around 4:45-5pm 3-4 times a week and there's always a crowd of folks waiting there for the next bus.

Now it's not as bad as the Lindbergh @ Page stop, but similarly you have to stand on the shoulder of the outer road and that stretch of the outer road doubles as the offramp to northbound Hwy so it's heavily traveled. There's no sidewalk either on the north outer road or along the Maryville University entrance, no shelter, and note in the Streetview capture the poor drainage causing passengers to walk through standing water to get to their stop.

I think these conditions are typical of many Metro bus stops.

-RBB

Some other schools in the area (washU) would probably throw some money around for a sidewalk from campus to that stop.

Plenty of money for the roads of course.

WUSTL has some not great bus stops on Hoyt, made worse when they moved then last month. Way better than the ones we've been talking about mind you, since they're close to sidewalks and buildings.

quincunx wrote:Plenty of money for the roads of course.

Google MoDOT's transition plan, it probably builds/rebuilds more sidewalks then all the entities in the metro region combined.

edit, ill do your homework for you; http://www.modot.org/adatransitionplan/

MoDOT maintains over 33,000 miles of roads and nearly 10,000 bridges. As these roads and bridges undergo alterations, the pedestrian facilities associated with them will be brought into compliance with current ADA standards. Additional improvements will be made with separate projects and internal work forces to complete the plan in a timely manner. MoDOT owned buildings to which the public has access will be upgraded by 2015 and have been prioritized by the degree of public use for each building.

Too bad that doesn't include direct access to the businesses that front major thoroughfares. It's surprising how many places, new and wealthy places even, lack basic connections to sidewalks and bus stops. The entire stretch of Olive from Craig to Mason is a great example. Places along that stretch that lack sidewalk connections to Olive include: Trader Joes, all City Place buildings (connection to New Ballas lacks ramps in some spots), Heritage Place shopping center that has Dierbergs, and BJC West.

^ shouldnt metro invest in connections to its system? At this point I'll just settle for them to pick up trash around their stops and plow snow so a person can get to a bus from the station

mill204 wrote:Too bad that doesn't include direct access to the businesses that front major thoroughfares. It's surprising how many places, new and wealthy places even, lack basic connections to sidewalks and bus stops. The entire stretch of Olive from Craig to Mason is a great example. Places along that stretch that lack sidewalk connections to Olive include: Trader Joes, all City Place buildings (connection to New Ballas lacks ramps in some spots), Heritage Place shopping center that has Dierbergs, and BJC West.

Its very likely that such things are by design so it shouldn't be surprising.