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PostJan 03, 2007#26

DeBaliviere wrote:

I like Grayson, but Harris is a little too fogey-ish. The man knows very little about the city, but frequently claims to have all the answers to its problems.



^ Sounds like alot of the people on this board.

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PostJan 03, 2007#27

^ Say what you will, but I think there are many knowledgeable people on this forum.



Of course, many of us have strong opinions, and we may not always agree, but that's what makes this a strong discussion forum. (In my humble opinion, of course.)

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PostJan 03, 2007#28

I may disagree or be an asshat but this forum really is the only forum for St. Louis City.



I have learned a lot on here and its a good resource. Far better place to hold debate than any news outlet.

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PostJan 05, 2007#29

M-W Tower coming to fruition downtown? Sounds like the mayor knows something we don't. Good news.

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PostJan 05, 2007#30

2 comments.



1. I would sure as heck hope the Mayor can make some good predictions about 2007. I mean sure, alot of deals my not come through, but with inside knowledge, it can't be too hard too make some likely predicitions.



2. I too wondered about the Class A office tower predicition and whether that was related to the MW tower or if it was just a comment that the 1st phase BV tower might be an office tower. I would guess the second is more likely, but I sure has hope the first is correct.



On a side issue, I wonder if the reason we hear nothing about the MW tower is because it the big company rummored to take up so much of the office space is also being wooed by the BV folks. If a major company was going to invest in a new tower downtown, I would think the BV would be very attractive. Or maybe I am just hoping that the MW tower stuff wasn't just some fantasy. Eitherway, if the MW is a real serious proposal, then it would not suprise me if talks with the a company would be complicated by the BV development.

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PostJan 05, 2007#31

JMedwick wrote:2 comments.



1. I would sure as heck hope the Mayor can make some good predictions about 2007. I mean sure, alot of deals my not come through, but with inside knowledge, it can't be too hard too make some likely predicitions.



2. I too wondered about the Class A office tower predicition and whether that was related to the MW tower or if it was just a comment that the 1st phase BV tower might be an office tower. I would guess the second is more likely, but I sure has hope the first is correct.



On a side issue, I wonder if the reason we hear nothing about the MW tower is because it the big company rummored to take up so much of the office space is also being wooed by the BV folks. If a major company was going to invest in a new tower downtown, I would think the BV would be very attractive. Or maybe I am just hoping that the MW tower stuff wasn't just some fantasy. Eitherway, if the MW is a real serious proposal, then it would not suprise me if talks with the a company would be complicated by the BV development.


I don't wish to be negative, but realistically the North Park suburban office park near the airport might reduce the attractiveness of more office space for Downtown. Sadly the trend is farther out West, but I hope I am wrong. This would be the biggest project in St. Louis, period.



We need a massive tower reaching for the sky like the Combine Citadel in Half Life 2 only more attractive.




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PostJan 05, 2007#32

^ Hahaha... folks like Steve Patterson better watch out or Dr. Brene, opps I mean Mayor Slay, might lock them up in that tower...



Seriously though, I know that places farther out west are always competition, but the focus of my comment was more that if a company is considering moving downtown, then anyone tyring to lure such a company to their development must reckon with the elephant in the corner, the BV. What it does changes the landscape for everyone else trying to develope property downtown. The sooner hard and fast plans are laid out the better.

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PostJan 05, 2007#33

My guess is that if the MW tower actually does get built it will be a scaled down version. A tower THAT tall is awfully risky.

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PostJan 05, 2007#34

JMedwick wrote:^ Hahaha... folks like Steve Patterson better watch out or Dr. Brene, opps I mean Mayor Slay, might lock them up in that tower...


Patterson has a far worse fate...







Mayor Slay does not look like a b****. Don't treat him like one.

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PostJan 05, 2007#35

on the possibilities of a new tower being built soon...

from the winter 2007 BOMA leasing guide


City in the Spotlight by Rick Messey CTMT

DT had great exposure during September and October thanks to the every popular and now World Champion St. Louis Cardinals. DT SL also shined in the national spotlight with recent revitalization of several new developments of residential condos. apartments and entertainment venues and restaurants.

This development and positive momentum should continue for many years due to the recent BPV deal with the city of SL. BPV co-developer, Cordish company, and the city recently finalized negotiations that will provide financing for 100mill of public funds to assist with the development of the 60 mill dollar project.

Since 2000 the city has slowly been experiencing a transformation and as of today 3.5billion dollars has been invested DT. Several major developments have been completed, such as the OPO, Wash Ave lofts, Syndicate Trust, PB and more than 180,000 square ft of new restaurants, retailers and more than 2300 new residential apartments and condos.

Class B buildings have a 24.1 percent vacantcy rate but should continue to decrease as older class B inventory is converted into apartments and condos.

Downtown's overall perception is improving and so is the class A office market. Class A Buildings recently recorded 204,000 square feet of positive absorption, lowering the vacantcy rates from 18.3 percent to 16.3 percent. If you are in one of the five nicest Class A buildings DT, then the vacancy rate is less than 5 percent. DT tenants seeking quality class A space are having a more difficult time finding options or expasion space. Large expanding tenants like Lewis Rice and Armstrong Teasdale, who are seeking in excess of 100,000 square feet, will need to consider new office developments or rehabbing existing buildings due to lack of quality alternatives.

Major transactions that have closed or that are currently under construction include Pyramid's conversion of SLCenter/Dillard's building. MW's cupples project and Pinnacle casino on the landing.

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PostJan 06, 2007#36

bonwich wrote:Um, kids....



Certainly KMOX no longer has the 1 out of 4 of all area listeners that it had in its heyday. And certainly fewer people, especially under 30, listen to radio than they did even 10-20 years ago.



However, here's the second-half overall fall ratings for St. Louis:



KMOX-AM 8.5

KEZK-FM 6.3

WARH-FM 6.0

KLOU-FM 5.1

KTRS-AM 4.8

KSHE-FM 4.7

WIL-FM 4.7

KSLZ-FM 4.5

KMJM-FM 3.8

KSD-FM 3.8

KATZ-FM 3.4

KIHT-FM 3.4

WFUN-FM 3.3

KYKY-FM 3.2

WHHL-FM 2.9

KFTK-FM 2.8

KPNT-FM 2.6



Somebody apparently still listens to KMOX. And it really does remain the only local station with any semblance of a local-news operation.



And maybe the folks at rBar aren't real concerned that the "older crowd"

has never heard of the Grove, but I can guarantee you that the folks at Five would have been mighty ticked off if they heard that exchange yesterday afternoon. (As should have been the VP and programming and news directors at KMOX, not to mention the folks who try to sell advertising.)


That still isn't saying much. Most young people don't listen to radio anymore, with the help of Clear Channel. Even stations geared toward young people have gone down the tubes. We now use the internet.

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PostJan 06, 2007#37

Doug wrote:We need a massive tower reaching for the sky like the Combine Citadel in Half Life 2 only more attractive.
You're on the right path Doug. How about a monstrous biomechanical structure inspired by H.R. Giger?








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PostJan 06, 2007#38

Resurrectus wrote:
Doug wrote:We need a massive tower reaching for the sky like the Combine Citadel in Half Life 2 only more attractive.
You're on the right path Doug. How about a monstrous biomechanical structure inspired by H.R. Giger?









I am sure St. Louis would overcome NYC as the Goth capital of the USA. We might even be able to divert the Star Trek nerds from the Hilton in Vegas.



Get on it!

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PostJan 08, 2007#39

I still love his artwork. Damn!

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PostJan 08, 2007#40

Xing wrote:
bonwich wrote:Um, kids....



Certainly KMOX no longer has the 1 out of 4 of all area listeners that it had in its heyday. And certainly fewer people, especially under 30, listen to radio than they did even 10-20 years ago.



However, here's the second-half overall fall ratings for St. Louis:



KMOX-AM 8.5

KEZK-FM 6.3

WARH-FM 6.0

KLOU-FM 5.1

KTRS-AM 4.8

KSHE-FM 4.7

WIL-FM 4.7

KSLZ-FM 4.5

KMJM-FM 3.8

KSD-FM 3.8

KATZ-FM 3.4

KIHT-FM 3.4

WFUN-FM 3.3

KYKY-FM 3.2

WHHL-FM 2.9

KFTK-FM 2.8

KPNT-FM 2.6



Somebody apparently still listens to KMOX. And it really does remain the only local station with any semblance of a local-news operation.



And maybe the folks at rBar aren't real concerned that the "older crowd"

has never heard of the Grove, but I can guarantee you that the folks at Five would have been mighty ticked off if they heard that exchange yesterday afternoon. (As should have been the VP and programming and news directors at KMOX, not to mention the folks who try to sell advertising.)


That still isn't saying much. Most young people don't listen to radio anymore, with the help of Clear Channel. Even stations geared toward young people have gone down the tubes. We now use the internet.


What's a radio?

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PostJan 08, 2007#41

I think it's that button on your cd player in your car that says FM/AM. At least, that's what somebody told me when I bought the car.

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PostJan 08, 2007#42

I've lived around these parts since 1989 and still don't understand the KMOX-AM radio obsession. The only thing I find similar are the rural towns that listen to regional radio for local news and farm reports. I haven't tried to tune into an AM station since about 1980.

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PostJan 08, 2007#43

Boy you guys are a bunch of new media elitists, perhaps you should be more tolerant of those who are not so techno savvy or cannot afford the cost of technology.

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PostJan 08, 2007#44

trent wrote:I think it's that button on your cd player in your car that says FM/AM. At least, that's what somebody told me when I bought the car.


Ohhhhh! #-o I always thought that button was for switching between funky music and alternative music on my playlist. I was wondering how come every time I hit the alternative music button all I would get was a bunch of annoying old farts talking nonsense, and when I hit the funky music button all I heard was Fergie and Justin Timberlake?!? :lol:

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PostJan 10, 2007#45

southcitygent wrote:Boy you guys are a bunch of new media elitists, perhaps you should be more tolerant of those who are not so techno savvy or cannot afford the cost of technology.


I listen to occasional sports talk radio, so don't think just because somebody is JOKING that they are some sort of elitist. I personally don't like listening to FM radio because there's way too many commercials, and all the stations are essentially the same since ClearChannel has taken over everything.



I have no problem with KMOX. I don't like Limbaugh, but Charlie Brennan can be informative. And I don't dislike Paul Harris, though I don't ever listen to him either.

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