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Lumiere Place (Phase II Only)

Lumiere Place (Phase II Only)

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PostDec 29, 2007#1



View from the Lenor K. Sullivan and Carr Streets





View from the Lenor K. Sullivan/Mississippi River





View from I-70, facing east



"Additional phases, which include eight residential buildings totaling 375 condos, and 220,810 square feet of commercial space, will be built after phase 1 opens based on market demand, said Pinnacle Chairman and CEO Daniel Lee.



The Jerde Partnership, based Los Angeles, was named master planner of Lumiere Place. "



"Making use of the French word for 'light,' every aspect of the mixed-used development will incorporate Lumiere Place in its branding, including The Casino at Lumiere Place and The Residences at Lumiere Place, Lee said.

"We wanted to create a neighborhood," Lee said. "We need to convince people who live in the arc around the city to come downtown."



"Retail tenants have not been signed to the proposed commercial space. The second phase of the development calls for a 35,258-square-foot grocery store, an 11,481-square-foot cafe and an additional 174,071 square feet of retail space."



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"Pinnacle hired The Jerde Partnership to master plan Lumière Place. Based in Los Angeles with offices in Amsterdam, Shanghai and Hong Kong, Jerde is internationally recognized for its global planning and urban design work. The firm's philosophy of "placemaking" has led to the creation of truly remarkable urban environments that provide lasting social, cultural and economic value and promote further investment and revitalization."



"Pinnacle's partnership with Jerde will put St. Louis in the company of Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Shanghai, Tokyo and many other cities that have created remarkable communities through the vision of Jon Jerde and his partners." Mr. Lee said.



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PostDec 29, 2007#2

Now that Lumiere Place (Phase I) is wrapping up, it's time to start discussing Phase II, which Pinnacle seems very committed. Their track record so far is good.



I was at Lambert recently and took photos (above) of the model/plans. There were a couple of gawkers and one older gentleman who seemed very excited about seeing Phase I (the Four Season's light box). He indicated that he thought the whole project would be good for St. Louis.

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PostDec 29, 2007#3

Wow, thanks for the pictures! I think that if phase II comes out anything like the model it will be amazing; great for the landing and the north side of downtown in general.

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PostDec 29, 2007#4

I still can't tell entirely how they want this to go, but I think it looks a little enclosed, or gated . I'm curious about the wall on the east end, near the tracks and the riverfront.

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PostDec 29, 2007#5

Very ambitious. Imagine driving over the bridge into the city and seeing this new density. I just hope I'm not 50 years old before this is a reality.

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PostDec 29, 2007#6

I believe the wall is/would part of a parking garage based on my observations of the model while on my travels through the airport. It probably has a lot to do with flood plain elevations. Putting the parking garage in the flood plain elevations and keeping the residential units high and dry makes sense.

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PostDec 29, 2007#7

^ The wall looks like it is a brick facaded garage, as Pinnacle sticks most of the parking needed for the development under ground, using the natural terrain of the landing area to their benefit. This is a pretty basic formula for addressing the flooding concerns and providing parking.



While the picks look good, I do have a few questions and concerns:



1. As Xing said, it looks somewhat closed off from surrounding areas, particularly from the riverfront, which is a shame because adding significant development directly adjacent to the river but making access to the river circuitous will never help the City reach its long term objective of having a lively waterfront.



2. With Pinnacle owning the gaming license currently used by the Admiral, it was discussed previously that Pinnacle would be considering a second casino to make use of the license. This development does not seem to include another casino. Where will the second gaming licensed be used if not on this site? I still think to get maximum value from casino development on the Landing, multiple casinos must exist. I just hope the license is used downtown and if used on the landing, that the casino is located south of the MLK bridge to encourage traffic moving east west through the existing portion of the landing (think blocks bounded by the Eads Bridge, North 1st, LKS Blvd, and Landing Blvd).



I do like the circle proposed along Carr with the statue. That could be a great addition.

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PostDec 29, 2007#8

Judging by those photos, Pinnacle definitely seems committed on making their new casino a true destination. I'm sure it definitely will be if they build what is shown in those pictures!

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PostDec 29, 2007#9

"Additional phases, which include eight residential buildings totaling 375 condos"

More condos!

How am I supposed to choose one to buy?

Maybe we should be assigned a condo (in former Soviet Union condo choses you).

Do I want to roll out of bed and go to a ballgame or play blackjack?

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PostDec 29, 2007#10

WOW! Very impressed by the models and I like how it looks like a community rather than a development plumped down into the middle of something (see Hanley Station and The Boulevard)



That said, the model of the Lumiere tower looks much better there than it does in person. I like the blue glass and original glohawk design better but am happy with the finished product as well.

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PostDec 30, 2007#11

Since market conditions will not change for housing for the next

year (or longer), expect this to be on the back burner for awhile.

Financing for this project would be tough right now. The last thing

Pinnacle needs is to try and pre-sell in this market. Why not wait?



The design looks great. Especially the way they broke up rooflines on each building to keep things in scale with the landing. I also see a decent

sized building right off the courtyard which could be a casino (or retail). Pinnacle will likely build a much smaller casino to augment the new one.



I still have not figured out how the boat-in-a-moat actually works at the new place. Three blocks from the river and at a much higher elevation. Do they pump water up to the basin? Does that water have to circulate or just be river water in a tub? Strange rules in Missouri for casinos... wonder what the over/under is on eliminating or raising the loss limit? If it is eliminated, I would bet the 2nd casino will be for elite high-rollers.

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PostDec 30, 2007#12

I have no complaints, the density of this proposal along with the relationship in scale to the rest of the landing is impressive.



Now just imagine crossing the Eads and having this on one side and the arch and BPV on the other...and all the stuff inbetween, too. :wink:

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PostDec 30, 2007#13

Yes Please! Ok, Im going to Chicago for New years. I expect this to be built by the time I get back next weekend.

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PostDec 30, 2007#14

Wow! That model's freaking awsome. Thanks for the post, Arch.

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PostDec 30, 2007#15

Now aren't we glad that the city didn't choose Isle of Capri and its bloated Bass Pro Shop concept? :)

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PostDec 30, 2007#16

Bass Pro Shop? Are you serious? Chicago, NYC or Boston must have outbid us. Oh well. ;)

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PostDec 31, 2007#17

innov8ion wrote:Bass Pro Shop? Are you serious? Chicago, NYC or Boston must have outbidded us. Oh well. ;)


Nah, their proposal was just a casino that looked like a BPS. Really crappy.

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PostDec 31, 2007#18

DeBaliviere wrote:Now aren't we glad that the city didn't choose Isle of Capri and its bloated Bass Pro Shop concept? :)


Hell yeah! :)



I am in awe after seeing the pictures of the model. There's a lot going on downtown, and the market is soft, so I can be patient even though I want to see this now! 8)

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PostDec 31, 2007#19

How the street grid is going to be impacted is hard to tell from the model, however, it appeared that N. First and N. Second will remain open. In fact, N. 2nd St. is a through street after phase I. I drove through the area.



Below is a map/area street grid where phases I and II (and possibly III) of Lumiere Place will rise. The streets in this area are narrow because it is where "Old St. Louis" once existed. There are "through" streets, an alley and major border streets.







From the looks of the model, it looks like Commercial St. (aka Commercial Alley) is going to be closed for the building of a railroad track wall barrier/park/parking garage, the sliver of Cole St. looks like it is going to be closed and made into pathways leading to the retail/entertainment courtyard from residential areas.



It looks like North 1st and North 2nd Streets are going to remain open. HoteLumiere's main entrance will be at 901 North First Street. HoteLumiere is a former Embassy Suites which is undergoing a major renovation.



Here's an overview of the street map.







And here's another map.







Note: Cole and Carr Streets, which are tad north, are not on the map; but you are still able to see the level of connectivity to the rest of LaClede's Landing.

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PostDec 31, 2007#20

The renderings are really incredible... this is exactly the type of development we need on the riverfront

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PostDec 31, 2007#21

Not to burst anyone's bubble, but the only way anything close to that model will be built by Pinnacle anytime soon (read: in the next decade), is if Pinnacle pumps all of their St. Louis casino profits back into this project - and I'm not sure why they would do that. Remember, they have another huge casino and entertainment complex to take on in St. Louis, along with a whole lot more risk, not to mention three or four other casino/resorts around the world.



It is much more likely that they will partner with some national developer to put up a mid-sized, mixed-use project in the next few years, satisfying their $50 million residential investment commitment to the city, and then wait to gauge its success. I can definitely see them expanding the Embassy Suites/HoteLumiere soon (as the model indicates), perhaps in conjunction with their residential commitment and some retail, but definitely in conjunction with another gigantic parking garage. The level of investment that that model represents, however, and the $1 billion tease, is a very, very long term vision, and the final result won't look anything like the model.



That model was created for only one reason; to make city and state officials more, uh, compliant.

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PostDec 31, 2007#22

^With comments like that it's no wonder why big developments like this don't come to fruition in St. Louis often. :?



I seriously doubt Atlantans doubted the grand plan for Atlantic Station, which is about 75% complete.



"That model was created for only one reason; to make city and state officials more, uh, compliant."




Huh? jlblues, Phase I of Lumiere Place came with no tax incentives from the city or state and the expanded plans for Phase II were announced long after the city selected Pinnacle for the casino/hotel complex.

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PostDec 31, 2007#23

Hell, I'll be happy if just half of the buildings in the model are completed someday. 8)



This would look so impressive from the Eads or MLK bridges, and it's a great opportunity to tie Laclede's Landing and downtown with the north riverfront.

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PostDec 31, 2007#24

The freight train is very loud, I think the curved wall/garage will really help with that, especially for future residential

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PostDec 31, 2007#25

jlblues wrote:Not to burst anyone's bubble, but the only way anything close to that model will be built by Pinnacle anytime soon (read: in the next decade), is if Pinnacle pumps all of their St. Louis casino profits back into this project - and I'm not sure why they would do that. Remember, they have another huge casino and entertainment complex to take on in St. Louis, along with a whole lot more risk, not to mention three or four other casino/resorts around the world.
I'd say that increasing the loss limits or getting rid of them will play a big role in how future phases are realized.

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