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Lemp Brewery Signature Building in Jeopardy!

Lemp Brewery Signature Building in Jeopardy!

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PostFeb 03, 2014#1

Aldermanic President Lewis Reed is urging immediate preservation efforts at one of the historic Lemp Brewery buildings. Apparently, the condition of the building has gotten so bad, that some are seeing the next "Cupples-esque" demolition on the near horizon. Photos posted to Facebook show that the roof of the building is completely compromised, open to rain, snow, ice, etc.

These sorts of deteriorated building conditions don't happen overnight. They usually take years and years to get to the crisis point. And once at a crisis, the cost to save the building is so high, economics and public safety factors seal a bad ending. Witness: Cupples.

So where do we go from here? A local politician calling attention to a crisis is a start. But what's needed is millions of dollars in renovation to the building.

Unfortunately for the Cherokee area, this story does not portend for a good outcome. And as is so often the case, calling attention to a collapsing building at it's eleventh hour is usually not an effective historic preservation strategy.

The real question is why was this building allowed to decay for over a decade in its generally unmaintained condition? It's obviously in violation of the city's building code. I know that if I let the roof of my home end up like this, my neighbors and alderman would be all over me with code violations and I'd probably end up in housing court or being forced to sell the property.

But here again we see another case of apparent benign neglect of a historic city asset, with little if any action to prevent it. Sad.

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PostFeb 03, 2014#2

And here i thought the next high profile demo target would be in Chouteau's Landing. Who owns the property currently. Are they requesting demo. Is Reed suggesting the city invest the money to preserve it from the general fund?

Agree that the hopping from crisis to crisis is not the way to solve these problems.

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PostFeb 03, 2014#3

Just my <$.02, but if you ask me, it makes a lot more sense saving the buildings in the Lemp complex than it does anything on Chouteau's Landing*.

Sure, the Chouteau's Landing area is old, but beyond that, it's lost nearly all its historic context, not to mention people and activity.

The Lemp Brewery is the entry to the historic Cherokee strip, a neighbor to Lemp Mansion and the DeMenil house, highly visible from I-55, and is a wonderful anchor/corner building on a historic city landscape. It's loss would be a historic preservation tragedy.

On the other hand, maybe the loss of this building is just what St. Louis needs to finally awaken from its slumber of dreaming of historic preservation while waking to heedless demolitions.

*: And herein lies the challenge of the city's newly established emergency "preservation fund" (or whatever it's called?). In this case, most would agree, the Lemp is highly signficant - and it will cost a fortune to stabilize (much like Cupples...). Bottom line is how do you make these tough preservation decisions, especially when they come at you in waves of mini-crises??

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PostFeb 03, 2014#4

The entire Lemp complex is owned by Shashi Palamand and his father. They bought it in 1999 and spent several million dollars stabilizing the buildings and replacing many of the roofs. I don't know why this building at Broadway and Cherokee never got a new roof. You can see from the Google Maps satellite image that the structure is completely open to the elements.

The property was under contract in 2007 for a planned $125 million development, but that plan fell victim to the recession. I have to suspect there is more to this story ... or perhaps a lack of liquidity due to the downturn.

Palamand has been known as a supporter of preservation efforts and is a board member of the Landmarks Association.

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PostFeb 03, 2014#5

Hmmm. It makes it tough when a staunch advocate of historic preservation owns one of the coolest buildings in the city that is falling apart.

And if they've sunk millions into the complex, and now they are facing this dilemma, it probably explains why the city hasn't exactly been cracking down on code enforcement.

With this new twist, the story starts to take on the feel of a southside Greek tragedy...

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PostFeb 03, 2014#6

Why don't they at least put tarps over the holes to prevent infiltration? Seems like a cheap temporary fix could prevent a lot of damage that will be more costly to repair in the future.

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PostFeb 03, 2014#7

Preservation Research Office post on Facebook:

Talking to Lemp Brewery crew -- they say they are doing interior demolition work on building at Broadway & Cherokee. No threat to building.

Landmarks also posted about this, but it looks like they have deleted the post, so this may be a false alarm?

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PostFeb 03, 2014#8

From Landmarks Association Facebook page:

"After speaking with the owner of the Lemp Brewery (full disclosure, he is on our Board of Directors) we have learned that he is in the process (and has been for a while) of implementing a stabilization plan for the building referenced today by President of the Board of Aldermen, Lewis Reed. The owner cares deeply about the history and architectural value of the brewery complex and has worked for years to protect and maintain it. He has gone to great expense to repair and stabilize other endangered components of the complex and employs a full-time maintenance crew and even an architect on his staff. We are confident in his commitment to protecting the landmark brewery and in his long-term vision for its redevelopment. Further details on the ongoing stabilization efforts for the building in question forthcoming."

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PostFeb 03, 2014#9

So what caused the Alderman to sound the alarm? I think its good he is speaking out on preservation issues, but present information without all the facts seems a little irresponsible. Then again are the Aldermen privy to the information they need to be in order to properly address these issues. Did he talk to the Alderman of the ward in which the Lemp Brewery reside, was that alderman aware of the situation. Seems like something got lost in translation here...

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PostFeb 04, 2014#10

Presbyterian wrote: The property was under contract in 2007 for a planned $125 million development, but that plan fell victim to the recession. I have to suspect there is more to this story ... or perhaps a lack of liquidity due to the downturn.

Palamand has been known as a supporter of preservation efforts and is a board member of the Landmarks Association.
I'm sure its somewhere on this forum, but do you what was proposed.... mixed-use? institutional?

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PostFeb 04, 2014#11

I recently saw a photo of Cupples 7. On the back it read, "Lemp Brewery Stabilization Plan."

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PostFeb 04, 2014#12

Toronto has an area very similar to the brewery complex known as the Distillery District that it has redeveloped quite successfully over the past few years. I think it could be a very good model for Lemp to follow.
http://www3.thedistillerydistrict.com/

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PostFeb 04, 2014#13

Something definitely needs to revitalize the entire complex. It could become a huge, extremely dense, mixed-use community with all sorts of retail and entertainment. It would be the buckle of the Cherokee Street belt. I imagine the various buildings being used as colleges, offices, apartments, a hotel, and home to plenty of activities.

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PostFeb 04, 2014#14

roger wyoming II wrote: I'm sure its somewhere on this forum, but do you what was proposed.... mixed-use? institutional?
Lots of apartments, if I recall correctly. The plan was for the whole complex.

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PostFeb 06, 2014#15

^ thanks. It seems like a having an attraction there might be beneficial in terms of making the project work and helping to further boosting energy in the area. For example, I think there might be some real potential for having an arts center similar to the Torpedo Factory in Old Town Alexandria or The Foundry on a lesser-scale in St. Charles.

Obviously it would be a huge endeavor, but if it could be pulled off it would both make residential components more attractive and be an awesome advance for shops and retail in the general area. I could see a pretty good tourist trade of Budweiser tour, venturing on down to the Lemp Artists Center and taking in antiquing and lunch -- and a beer, of course! -- on Cherokee or Benton Park.

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PostFeb 06, 2014#16

I'd like to see them take advantage of the caves and tunnels under the site. They could become some cool bars, restaurants, clubs, mushroom farm, speak-easy can-can dinner theatre, inflated-floor bouncey cave for the kids, torchlight underground tunnel of love boatride through a cave stream of flowing Budweiser rejected batches, etc, etc, etc.

Lots of potential. I know I can't be the only one to think of these things.

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PostFeb 06, 2014#17

^I've been in the caves and I'd hate to see them used for anything other than a natural attraction, that keeps them as is. Once you leave the areas that the Lemps used for recreation, it becomes an amazing natural cave system. I think the liability issues will always cause hesitation, but hopefully, somebody can get past that. You'd think that the current owners would do some tours to raise money to save the complex or maybe even redevelop it. SO many people would pay a pretty penny to go down into the caves. I can say, after being down there, I might pay hundreds for a tour. It is that cool! Why the owners can't find a way to raise funds, utilizing the caves, is beyond me. The Lemp Caves are on many locals (and non-locals) bucket lists. I would hate to see the natural caves ruined with a bar or restaurant. They should be used strictly for viewing, in their natural state. that is cool enough for me. The rest of the complex, the man-made portions of the brewery, I'd be all for utilizing for entertainment purposes. I hope any major redevelopment plan in the future, keeps the orignal architecture intact, as much as possible. (interior and exterior) My fear was always that a redo would require demo and removal of the charm of the old complex. Hope that does not happen, unless that is the only way to save it someday.

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PostFeb 06, 2014#18

There was the idea put forth on RallySTL for a National Beer Museum/Hall of Fame. Locating it at the Lemp Brewery because of the tie in to an era of cave brewing that made st. louis the dominant player. Added attraction would be a paid tours of the caverns restored as they were in the breweries heyday. Additionally a nice anchor for the Cherokee Street retail. Of course the majority of the site should be residential use, but a good chunk could be shaved off for the museum concept.

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PostFeb 07, 2014#19

My understanding is that there is already an unused ballroom and the remains of a swimming pool in the caves below.

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PostFeb 07, 2014#20

The music venue Cherokee Caves used to be down there, right?

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PostFeb 07, 2014#21

KETC video segment on the cave:

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PostMar 06, 2014#22

Is there any progress on the potential redevelopment of this site? The stock of buildings with that magnificent, solid architecture and the location right there on Cherokee couldn't be much better.

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PostMar 06, 2014#23

As the number of vacant buildings Downtown dwindles and as Cherokee Street continues to grow, it will soon be time for this complex to have its day.