PostJan 06, 2007#51
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Because last thime the City grew some balls and did something about it they got a lawsuit for their trouble. I too wish that something could be done so that both sides would benefit.
Yeah. I remember the News 4 coverage that revealed this. My question is, how long will they use this as an excuse NOT to do their job? The lawsuit was lost cause they stepped over their authority in arresting those homeless people without a charge. IF they follow the law of the land and book them under proper offenses(which they break every day), <b>WHAT</b> lawsuit would be there to lose?
Resurrectus wrote:I took these photos on January 6, 2007. What does everyone think of the yellow?
While not a big fan of yellow in general, I do like the way it's looking on this building. And notice the subtle brown accents, also. I really like the use of color to livin-up the streetscape. Which is why I would like to see blue windows on the Meridian continue all the way up to the top.
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I like the yellow. The entire block's facade there is kinda mundane and it breaks it up and gives it color, and the project its own identity.
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what ever happened to the tried and treu method of dealing with the homeless ..... the police. I'm not exactly saying I endorse the process, but don't cities facing this sort of problem simply have the police harass them until they go somewhere else ... its not hard for police to find SOMETHING to fine you for .. and its not as if these folks can afford top notch legal representation ....
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It would also help if people STOPPED GIVING THEM MONEY. 
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Well .. isn;t the good reverend Rice handing out food down the street
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markofucity wrote:Well .. isn;t the good reverend Rice handing out food down the street
That's the biggest problem.
However, if Mr. Rice runs his shelter like some others, there are some "homeless" who can't get in. These are the ones people on the street have to reject. So they will ultimately go away.
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There's no money in cracking down on the homeless for the illegal activities that they do--so our very own law enforcement would rather concentrate on giving us residents and our visitors frivolous traffic citations.markofucity wrote:what ever happened to the tried and treu method of dealing with the homeless ..... the police. I'm not exactly saying I endorse the process, but don't cities facing this sort of problem simply have the police harass them until they go somewhere else ... its not hard for police to find SOMETHING to fine you for .. and its not as if these folks can afford top notch legal representation ....
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:It would also help if people STOPPED GIVING THEM MONEY.
CS, this may be the first thing we've agreed upon. About the police comment, I had a buddy spend the night in jail for alcohol related activities and he said there were homeless in jail that specifically committed a crime to have a jail cell to sleep in.
I looked into moving here and really wanted to but refused to since the only entrance is BEHIND the building where 100's of homeless people hang out. It smells like pee and everytime i went back there I was asked for money. Don't live here until they do something about this cause the residents agreed with me and wished they hadn't lived there for that reason.
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Having lived in this buidling, I will say its a great place located centrally within the district, and since the basement parking has finally been put in place, even better. When I lived there the park issues were seemingly not anywhere near as bad as they are now. Over time the park more and more became a place to stay even if you weren't getting a bed from Larry. As the neighborhood succeeded, the climate for panhandling and handouts did to, until we've reached this crossroads we find ourselves at now.
In the year + I lived aat the knickerbocker I only witnessed one fight between drunk hobos in the park. Public urination aside. it was fairly harmless. Then came the rash of weaponized violence and constant yelling, loitering increased trash and constant "pestering" just walking through the park. Thisisn't the reason we moved, but because I have seen the scene change so much for the negative as our neighborhood moves forward, I really hope a resolution is found quickly with this latest action.
In the year + I lived aat the knickerbocker I only witnessed one fight between drunk hobos in the park. Public urination aside. it was fairly harmless. Then came the rash of weaponized violence and constant yelling, loitering increased trash and constant "pestering" just walking through the park. Thisisn't the reason we moved, but because I have seen the scene change so much for the negative as our neighborhood moves forward, I really hope a resolution is found quickly with this latest action.
I lived in the Knickerbocker for 7+ years and it's not as bad as folks make it out to be. It is a bit worse now than any time I lived there, but we would walk our dog at all hours of the night mostly without problems. We even got to know some of the nicer homeless folks and enjoyed our interactions.
Maybe my years living in Chicago gave me thick skin when it came to this sort of thing, but it's really not that difficult. I encourage everyone to call the police non-emergency number when you witness any violations. I know public urination was a pet peeve of mine.
I had much more disdain for some of the residents at the Knickerbocker who treated the building like a dorm: spilling beer in the elevator and not cleaning up, etc.
Moral of the story: it's a big city downtown so grit and grime go with it, it's not as dangerous or bad as it may seem to some, it's a great location and a good value place for those that can take real 'urban living'
Maybe my years living in Chicago gave me thick skin when it came to this sort of thing, but it's really not that difficult. I encourage everyone to call the police non-emergency number when you witness any violations. I know public urination was a pet peeve of mine.
I had much more disdain for some of the residents at the Knickerbocker who treated the building like a dorm: spilling beer in the elevator and not cleaning up, etc.
Moral of the story: it's a big city downtown so grit and grime go with it, it's not as dangerous or bad as it may seem to some, it's a great location and a good value place for those that can take real 'urban living'
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I agree, the park was fairly harmless, and I walked the dog at all hours also. Three years ago I wouldn't have thought twice about it.
Now what with some things that have happened, I avoid it.
Now what with some things that have happened, I avoid it.
I am interested to learn where Knickerbocker residents park (monthly garage/lot) who don't own a parking space in the building. I would assume that many residents previously parked in the Jefferson Arms garage, but I believe it closed when the building closed. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
the Jefferson Arms Garage is still open and being operated by St. Louis Parking (I think?).
You can find out by calling McGowan Brothers in the Shell Building.
You can find out by calling McGowan Brothers in the Shell Building.
The garage in/by the Shell building still was taking new monthly parkers as of November of last year. I had called them when I was considering the Knickerbocker.
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hi, everyone:
my neighbor got me interested in this board, and i'm really glad i found it.
i'm looking at moving into the knickerbocker building; can anyone give me the run-down on what it's like? how's the parking situation currently?
i was shocked to hear that there's no on-site parking available unless you purchase the spot for an obscene price ($15K) -- are there any problems parking in the neighboring garages? any recommendation on a specific garage that's without problem?
also, a few other questions:
1 - what television & internet options are available in the building?
2 - how's the general community in the building?
thanks so much.
my neighbor got me interested in this board, and i'm really glad i found it.
i'm looking at moving into the knickerbocker building; can anyone give me the run-down on what it's like? how's the parking situation currently?
i was shocked to hear that there's no on-site parking available unless you purchase the spot for an obscene price ($15K) -- are there any problems parking in the neighboring garages? any recommendation on a specific garage that's without problem?
also, a few other questions:
1 - what television & internet options are available in the building?
2 - how's the general community in the building?
thanks so much.
audioguy:
are you looking at a rental unit or buying? just curious.
This building was one of the first loft buildings developed downtown. The lack of parking could be a plus for some folks that don't want to deal with a car or don't mind finding their own parking. Face it, just like free lunches there is no such thing as free parking.
$15k for parking in the building is not too bad of a price. Covered spots in the Terra Cotta garage have gone for near $20k. Many residents still park in the old Jefferson Arms garage across the street from Lucas Park. Conveniently located and the going rate as you will find for covered and secured space downtown at $100/mo. There are secured lots at 15th and Locust and at others that are less. Believe it or not, some of the folks who live in the Knickerbocker still park on the street every night.
Considering the prime location, this building is affordable because of the relatively small units, lack of parking, and relatively high (higher than ideal IMO) percentage of rental units. The building has lost some active owners recently and so I'm not sure how well run it is currently. Keeping these issues in mind, it could be a good fit for some.
Unless you are on the top floor, Charter is your only television option. There is no building-wide system in place.
Full disclosure: I am an owner but not currently an occupant. I lived there for seven years and I would have sold my unit had the bottom not dropped from the real estate market.
are you looking at a rental unit or buying? just curious.
This building was one of the first loft buildings developed downtown. The lack of parking could be a plus for some folks that don't want to deal with a car or don't mind finding their own parking. Face it, just like free lunches there is no such thing as free parking.
$15k for parking in the building is not too bad of a price. Covered spots in the Terra Cotta garage have gone for near $20k. Many residents still park in the old Jefferson Arms garage across the street from Lucas Park. Conveniently located and the going rate as you will find for covered and secured space downtown at $100/mo. There are secured lots at 15th and Locust and at others that are less. Believe it or not, some of the folks who live in the Knickerbocker still park on the street every night.
Considering the prime location, this building is affordable because of the relatively small units, lack of parking, and relatively high (higher than ideal IMO) percentage of rental units. The building has lost some active owners recently and so I'm not sure how well run it is currently. Keeping these issues in mind, it could be a good fit for some.
Unless you are on the top floor, Charter is your only television option. There is no building-wide system in place.
Full disclosure: I am an owner but not currently an occupant. I lived there for seven years and I would have sold my unit had the bottom not dropped from the real estate market.