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It would be safe to assume that the balloon race, U2 and pretty much all other events will be cancelled. This will be worse than Ferguson. Downtown is ground zero. I will be shutting off my phone and computer until tomorrow. I'm not in the St Louis area, so hopefully I will not have to see our region destroyed. I am hoping that some our most cherished landmarks avoid destruction. I would assume that Kiener Plaza and the arch grounds will be trashed


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^Way to fear monger from afar there dude

Protests don't really seem that intense at the moment. Just some people blocking an on ramp to the interstate, nothing really resembling violence. Hope things stay peaceful.

I work Downtown, some blocks from the courthouse, and besides a closed Starbucks I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary.

St.Louis will be just fine.. Have to thank the governor for being pro active and activating the NG just in case.. Its good to see protesters for now being vigilant and respectful of properties. Keep it peaceful

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Sep 14, 2017

small world story, i went to high school with the other police officer that was with Stockley.

Small world story- I went to kindergarten through 4th grade with him. Or was it 3rd grade. It was a while ago.

Hey everyone, sorry about my post this morning. It was in response to some shocking posts on my Facebook feed from some of my St. Louis friends. I genuinely expected to see this spiral into a Baltimore daytime riot. So far I am thankful to have seen it has not, and from people in the area, I have heard the mood is not at all like Ferguson.


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Scanning twitter, it looks like the protests were broken up without really that much violence or property damage. Sure, there were a few arrests and a bit of pepper spraying, but honestly, about as good as we could have expected things to go with a not guilty verdict.

Mayor Krewson's home is under attack. People on scene have destroyed her lawn, smashed her windows. \

WHY ARE PEOPLE MAD AT HER? Honestly: WHAT HAS SHE DONE?

The malcontents in this city blame Lyda Krewson for literally everything wrong so it isn't a surprise that protesters would make her home a target, though I doubt those that initially went there intended to do damage, there are sometimes people who are looking to riot. Really a shame that this has to happen.

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Sep 16, 2017

The malcontents in this city blame Lyda Krewson for literally everything wrong so it isn't a surprise that protesters would make her home a target, though I doubt those that initially went there intended to do damage, there are sometimes people who are looking to riot. Really a shame that this has to happen.

It doesn't "have to happen." None of it.

I was correct. U2 has cancelled.


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For better or worse (and it's probably both depending on which angle you're looking at), I just don't think any of these protests draw the attention that the Ferguson ones did, not only because they may be different in nature to a degree, but mostly because we're now in an era of protests. Ferguson (whether technically true or not) kicked that off. It was the big one.

Since then, we've seen them in Baltimore, Minneapolis, Charleston, and other places. And that's just concerning police killing civilians. In this era of Trump, we've seen his rallies and counter rallies, we've seen white supremacist rallies and counter protests to those.

We're in another age of movements and actions and protests, and what is going on in our city right now is in someways just another one. It doesn't have the shock value that Ferguson didn't.

That's good from a "public image" stand point, though it's certainly a potential negative to the mission of the movement. You hope people aren't becoming numb to the message.

The Delmar Loop has been seriously damaged...absolutely disturbing images.

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KSDK reporting nearly 25 business have destroyed storefronts. The loop is trashed. I would expect the National Guard and a curfew to be in place tomorrow.


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Chalupas54 wrote: The Delmar Loop has been seriously damaged...absolutely disturbing images.

Edit:
KSDK reporting nearly 25 business have destroyed storefronts. The loop is trashed. I would expect the National Guard and a curfew to be in place tomorrow.


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That's not quite the way I'm reading that story. One emotional tweet mentioned in the story used the word destroyed. The story actually says: "In a walkthrough about an hour later, Jacob Long counted more than 20 businesses that sustained damage," the most severe of which appears to be some broken windows. The story also says the violence broke out when a protester threw paint at a police officer's shield, after which the police formed a line. Yes, things got out of hand. Looking at the images, meh, they'll clean it up. It won't be visible by next weekend. It doesn't look any more trashed than what I've seen after some public events. I'm sure the tension between the police and the folks still lingering about after the protest officially ended wasn't a contributing factor at all. I'm sure that police line was remarkably polite and very nice to the people who didn't throw paint at them but happened to be nearby. Let's wait and see what's to be seen in the morning before we pass judgment.

There's a legitimate gripe here. The ruling is a stinking fecal mess. Lots of powerful white people seem utterly unconcerned with black people's lives. That's . . . real. Nobody should be breaking windows or tearing up lawns. But I'd like to see our leaders do a little more to address the issue. I'd like to see them lead in some kind of reform, in some kind of healing, in some kind of something that isn't just more of the same. Or worse. And they need to lead all of us to fix it. And that might well mean leading their base to understand that we're all people and we should all have a place at the table.

Anyway . . .

Also note: I do believe the national guard is already very much here, though I suppose I could just be seeing Metro PD with M4s and HMMVs in front of fire stations. But they didn't have Police markings. And they looked less angry and more bored. Looked like NG to me, anyway. Not quite up-armored enough to be cops. And too matter of fact about it.

So let's wait for the light of day and not get too alarmist just yet. We all love this town. We all want to see this fixed. Really fixed. For the better for everyone. It's going to take work and level heads.

We left the Tivoli at about midnight and the Loop was closed, shock police everywhere, etc. I wouldn't say it was trashed, but most businesses had broken glass storefronts. I don't know if there was any looting though, we got out of there as soon as we could as the police were supposedly threatening to arrest everyone in the Loop. We saw about half a dozen people sitting on the ground, under arrest by the police.

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Sep 16, 2017

These are clearly protests. Not riots. The protests have not appeared to cause significant disruption.

When you have to cancel day to day activities like several performances, that's a significant disruption to daily lives.

Over 150K article references on Google news for 'St. Louis Protests', even 20K would be a lot...
https://www.google.com/search?q=st.+lou ... 80&bih=626

Chalupas54 wrote: ↑

Sep 17, 2017

The Delmar Loop has been seriously damaged...absolutely disturbing images.

Edit:
KSDK reporting nearly 25 business have destroyed storefronts. The loop is trashed. I would expect the National Guard and a curfew to be in place tomorrow.

Dude, the loop is far from trashed. Some shattered windows, some kicked over trash cans and that's it. "Trashed" would be looting and burning. Please save your fear mongering comments for more appropriate venues (i.e STLToday comments section). TIA.

Yawn Typical St.Louis!!
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At the end of the day what have any of these protest solve? Not a damn thing and to be frank it creates a more rifted complex fragmentation in our region that we can't afford anymore.

San Luis Native wrote: ↑

Sep 17, 2017

Chalupas54 wrote: ↑

Sep 17, 2017

The Delmar Loop has been seriously damaged...absolutely disturbing images.

Edit:
KSDK reporting nearly 25 business have destroyed storefronts. The loop is trashed. I would expect the National Guard and a curfew to be in place tomorrow.

Dude, the loop is far from trashed. Some shattered windows, some kicked over trash cans and that's it. "Trashed" would be looting and burning. Please save your fear mongering comments for more appropriate venues (i.e STLToday comments section). TIA.

Obviously, we have different interpretations of the word trashed. For me, the word for looting and burning would be 'devastated'. Again, I apologize for annoying you. I will exercise restraint in future comments regarding this.

BTW, the damage has arrived downtown.

Protests have been 99% non-violent. I applause the organizers.

Yes, windows broken, etc.

While I'd be super pissed if someone put a rock thru my window -- the weekend has turned out as best as could've hoped.

For the larger issues -- what is the end game? Cops will most assuredly shoot / kill someone under dubious circumstances. Especially in a crime ridden city as STL...

What then?

What is the goal? How does one determine victory?


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So I guess when Eric Greitens (and the rest of the Republicans) campaigned on sending in the National Guard and castigated Jay Nixon for not doing so to protect private property that was just empty campaign rhetoric.