Is that spot of Clayton Road in the City or County?
Not trying to stir the pot; genuinely curious
Not trying to stir the pot; genuinely curious
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Let's see how Houston handles the situation without snow plows and in how many days.
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I will point out that the proliferation of speed humps makes the plowing of sidestreets even more difficult. However, I stand by the assertion that given the enormity of this storm and the advanced notice from the NWS that special considerations should have been made and at least multiple rounds of salting/brine should have been waiting in the wings.
If we enforced traffic laws, wouldn't need speed humps, could effectively plow...
But I dither on the irrelevant. Carry on.
But I dither on the irrelevant. Carry on.
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I see it!
1) Womp womp too wide road is now the correct size temporarily.stlgasm wrote: ↑Jan 21, 2025Eastbound Clayton Rd. at Skinker/Hwy 40, today (Jan. 21st). One eastbound lane remains completely impassable, resulting in frequent backups. I just don't understand how this hasn't been cleared by now- this is not a secondary or residential street either. Anyway, don't shoot the messenger- just sharing what I've observed on a daily basis for the last 2 1/2 weeks and counting...
2) Where do you think they're gonna push the snow? Up on the partially clear sidewalk?
1) Yeah, sure. Except without enhanced (or any) pedestrian, transit or bike accessibility, which is the whole point of a road diet.Auggie wrote: ↑Jan 21, 20251) Womp womp too wide road is now the correct size temporarily.stlgasm wrote: ↑Jan 21, 2025Eastbound Clayton Rd. at Skinker/Hwy 40, today (Jan. 21st). One eastbound lane remains completely impassable, resulting in frequent backups. I just don't understand how this hasn't been cleared by now- this is not a secondary or residential street either. Anyway, don't shoot the messenger- just sharing what I've observed on a daily basis for the last 2 1/2 weeks and counting...
2) Where do you think they're gonna push the snow? Up on the partially clear sidewalk?
2) I don't know, but they had 16 days to figure it out.
I remember a time when the City had more of the pickup trucks that supervisors and other crews drive around daily equipped with plow mounts. That's exactly what is needed for side streets. It seems that fewer have mounts anymore. I'm curious when and why that changed? That's not expensive in the scheme of things. Of course, just like the dump trucks with plows, there has to be enough employees to drive them. But a pickup truck doesn't require a CDL, so there are more potential drivers if the training is provided in advance.
As to poorly placed piles, a loader and a dump truck can handle that in short order. I know we can do it primarily because I have seen the Street Division do it in the past, but also other cities do it on the regular. With the January 5, 2014 storm and other large storms, Streets, Forestry, and Parks worked together to clear the snow from all the streets and sidewalks downtown into big mounds that they then scooped up and trucked off to dump somewhere in Kosciusko.
As to poorly placed piles, a loader and a dump truck can handle that in short order. I know we can do it primarily because I have seen the Street Division do it in the past, but also other cities do it on the regular. With the January 5, 2014 storm and other large storms, Streets, Forestry, and Parks worked together to clear the snow from all the streets and sidewalks downtown into big mounds that they then scooped up and trucked off to dump somewhere in Kosciusko.
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This idea floated by db and Auggie that poor handling of snow removal made the city more urbanist and pedestrian friendly is truly trying to polish a turd.
Have you tried to walk across an icy street?
It's been much easier for me to drive the three blocks to the grocery store and other spots in my neighborhood the past 10 days. Which is just sad and not why I choose to live where I do.
Have you tried to walk across an icy street?
It's been much easier for me to drive the three blocks to the grocery store and other spots in my neighborhood the past 10 days. Which is just sad and not why I choose to live where I do.
If only they had cleared the sidewalk the first week.
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New Orleans has officially received more snow than St. Louis this winter season I find that humorous.
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It’s not actually funny that our roads are this badly attended.
Imagine being an out of towner and this is just there at 35mph .
Imagine being an out of towner and this is just there at 35mph .
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They should probably put their phone down and watch the road
Ah yes because pushing the snow from the unnecessary car lane up onto the sidewalk is going to help pedestrians and transit.stlgasm wrote: ↑Jan 21, 20251) Yeah, sure. Except without enhanced (or any) pedestrian, transit or bike accessibility, which is the whole point of a road diet.Auggie wrote: ↑Jan 21, 20251) Womp womp too wide road is now the correct size temporarily.stlgasm wrote: ↑Jan 21, 2025Eastbound Clayton Rd. at Skinker/Hwy 40, today (Jan. 21st). One eastbound lane remains completely impassable, resulting in frequent backups. I just don't understand how this hasn't been cleared by now- this is not a secondary or residential street either. Anyway, don't shoot the messenger- just sharing what I've observed on a daily basis for the last 2 1/2 weeks and counting...
2) Where do you think they're gonna push the snow? Up on the partially clear sidewalk?
2) I don't know, but they had 16 days to figure it out.
As someone who has walked around in the last couple of weeks, I actually find the extra buffer of snow to be preferable to a car lane directly on the sidewalk.
Genuinely you don't think about anything before you spread your opinion.
If you stopped and thought about anything before spreading your opinion, you would realize that a "front loader + dump truck" would require AT LEAST 2 CDL employees trained to drive these vehicles to drive around and shovel up melting snow and moving it "somewhere else" all so that we can have an extra unnecessary driving lane to make car drivers happier....ALL THE WHILE there are still other things happening around the city such as normal plowing, salting, street repairs, etc that still needs to be done....you'd see why your idea is stupid and isn't done.MattnSTL wrote: ↑Jan 21, 2025I remember a time when the City had more of the pickup trucks that supervisors and other crews drive around daily equipped with plow mounts. That's exactly what is needed for side streets. It seems that fewer have mounts anymore. I'm curious when and why that changed? That's not expensive in the scheme of things. Of course, just like the dump trucks with plows, there has to be enough employees to drive them. But a pickup truck doesn't require a CDL, so there are more potential drivers if the training is provided in advance.
As to poorly placed piles, a loader and a dump truck can handle that in short order. I know we can do it primarily because I have seen the Street Division do it in the past, but also other cities do it on the regular. With the January 5, 2014 storm and other large storms, Streets, Forestry, and Parks worked together to clear the snow from all the streets and sidewalks downtown into big mounds that they then scooped up and trucked off to dump somewhere in Kosciusko.
Places that do that are places that are guaranteed to have a sh*t ton of snow for a long long time. We are not. 16 days later, most the snow *is gone* from melting. 16 days later in "other places that do this" have either minimal melting or none at all.
Yes I guarantee I've walked more than you have in the last 2 weeks. I've walked across "icy streets" and down "icy alleys" and on "icy sidewalks". That's reality when it snows. It's not the city's fault that we live in a car extremist world where sidewalks aren't plowed or shoveled and only streets are.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Jan 21, 2025This idea floated by db and Auggie that poor handling of snow removal made the city more urbanist and pedestrian friendly is truly trying to polish a turd.
Have you tried to walk across an icy street?
It's been much easier for me to drive the three blocks to the grocery store and other spots in my neighborhood the past 10 days. Which is just sad and not why I choose to live where I do.
As for the lane reductions, it's a fact, an objective fact that the snow blocking parking lanes or driving lanes next to sidewalks does make the pedestrian experience better.
My position is that in big snow, the snow should be pushed to parking lanes and side driving lanes. Along with snow from sidewalks. But as we have seen from the car brains on here, we NEED the parking lanes AND all the unnecessary lanes cleared so the cars can drive. You people can't make up your mind and it's why you're always mad no matter what. It's pathetic.
Pretty sure a pile of snow following a big snow storm is one of the single most expected things anyone would see anywhere.TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑Jan 22, 2025It’s not actually funny that our roads are this badly attended.
Imagine being an out of towner and this is just there at 35mph .
You people must really never go anywhere north of STL during the winter....this stuff is commonplace in places that actually get snow. And the piles stay around for a lot longer than a few weeks.
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This is just what cities who receive snow all the time look like in the winter.stlgasm wrote: ↑Jan 21, 2025Eastbound Clayton Rd. at Skinker/Hwy 40, today (Jan. 21st). One eastbound lane remains completely impassable, resulting in frequent backups. I just don't understand how this hasn't been cleared by now- this is not a secondary or residential street either. Anyway, don't shoot the messenger- just sharing what I've observed on a daily basis for the last 2 1/2 weeks and counting...
In this thread, we have seen people send pictures of completely clear streets and then say actually there's snow on them.
Now we are sending pictures of streets that are literally not clear and saying they are better cleared than STL's clear streets.
What a parody.
Now we are sending pictures of streets that are literally not clear and saying they are better cleared than STL's clear streets.
What a parody.
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This is true, Auggie. Some of the examples shown are a bit over dramatized and I think it’s unrealistic to expect the city to have the streets clean enough to eat off of a couple days after a once in a decade storm.Auggie wrote:In this thread, we have seen people send pictures of completely clear streets and then say actually there's snow on them.
Now we are sending pictures of streets that are literally not clear and saying they are better cleared than STL's clear streets.
What a parody.
At the same time, you completely derailed the conversation by brow beating those who brought up legitimate issues with the response from the city.
The point is it's a near coastal city 700 miles to the south of us with little equipment and almost no salt.Auggie wrote: ↑Jan 22, 2025In this thread, we have seen people send pictures of completely clear streets and then say actually there's snow on them.
Now we are sending pictures of streets that are literally not clear and saying they are better cleared than STL's clear streets.
What a parody.
By "clear" I don't mean dry and perfect but at least all of the lanes are travelable less than 24 hours after an 8-11" event.
This is Napoleon Street which is comparable to Olive, Lindell, Choteau or Manchester here. Those roads were still unplowed disasters more that 48 hours after then end of our snow.