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Has the bar scene on Main Street gotten out of control?

Has the bar scene on Main Street gotten out of control?

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PostFeb 12, 2006#1

Has the bar scene on Main Street gotten out of control?

By Susan Weich

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

02/11/2006



A man who withheld his name dances next to St. Charles Police Officer Ted Holland as Holland backs up officers patrolling inside a bar on Main Street early Wednesday.

(Huy Richard Mach/P-D)







ST. CHARLES



Police pulling underage patrons from pubs. Drunken brawls spilling out onto the brick-paved streets. Young men urinating on the sides of 19th-century buildings.



Most people wouldn't expect it on Main Street, but police say these scenes are becoming more common as St. Charles gains a reputation as a hot night spot for young people.



In the past six months, more than 100 people have been arrested on misdemeanor charges ranging from disturbing the peace to assaulting a law enforcement officer, causing Police Chief Tim Swope to step up his department's presence in the area.



"This has turned into a metropolitan-wide location for people to come down and drink and sometimes get out of control," Swope said.



Bar owners say they are trying to run a clean, legal business, and while they agree with enforcing the law, they're not sure the police are going about it the right way.



"When you've got eight or 10 police officers with their night sticks drawn, I think they're looking harder than they need to find situations that are trouble," said Marc Rousseau, owner of R.T. Weiler's at 201 North Main.



Both sides agree that at night, North Main Street changes from a quiet, historical shopping and arts district to a bar hopper's haven, complete with blaring music and sometimes including female patrons dancing on the tops of bars. About 10 bars are in the area.



Steve Myers, 29, who comes to listen to bands at Main Street Bistro from his home in Florissant, sees the increased activity as a sign that his former hometown has come of age.



"It's the new Chesterfield," Myers said.



Swope says that although it's great that the businesses are thriving, the police have to make sure that everyone else visiting the area feels secure, too.



"I know that some of these things may not seem like a big deal, like public urination, but consider going down there for a nice dinner at one of the restaurants and having to deal with that," he said.



In addition to beefing up foot patrols and adding mounted officers, the city also has moved to suspend the liquor license of Main Street Bistro, 212 North Main, for what it says are repeated ordinance violations, such as underage drinking.



Bar owner Dan Byrd says he is appealing the city's action and maintains that he has done everything he can to control his patrons' behavior.



"We have staff available to quell almost any given situation, and that's what usually happens," Byrd said. "Very seldom does it get out of control."



Mayor Patti York said she and other city officials would meet this week to discuss how the city gives out and monitors liquor and business licenses. She has heard numerous complaints about the bars on North Main, she said.



"What are they expecting to happen when they put a whole bunch of people together for $1 drinks? It's just not what we're looking for," York said. "We don't want a reputation for having an area that has a bunch of troubled bars."



Swope said several recent brawls in which officers caught in the middle of five or six people suffered minor injuries had caused him to draw the line.



Swope said that part of the problem was that the pubs were drawing crowds from throughout the metropolitan area.

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PostFeb 12, 2006#2

I can tell I haven't been to downtown Saint Charles in a while.



When I worked in Earth City and lived in Maryland Heights several years ago, I used to go downtown Saint Charles quite often for food and drink. There's no dearth of good dining and drinking establishments there, and it's the one place in that vast county that doesn't have to fake character. I've always been a fan of that downtown.



However, it sounds like it's a bit more raucous these days. The new Chesterfield? Nah, Chesterfield's bucolic compared to this. Happy hour, and your average Saturday night at Aqua Vin or Harpo's could never be that interesting. It sounds more like the new Laclede's Landing to me. :wink:



Granted, it wouldn't keep me from going to the places I like there. However, it's just hard for me to justify driving that far to go to dinner now that I live in the city and have hundreds of tempting options at my disposal without leaving the city, and many more in the inner 'burbs.



With that in mind, I find this particular quote amusing...


Swope said that part of the problem was that the pubs were drawing crowds from throughout the metropolitan area.


Problem? Ha! Shouldn't Saint Charles embrace people coming from other parts of the metro area? Is this like the argument about Metrolink, where the people peeing on the sides of buildings and starting brawls are "typically" from the other side of the river? I know I'm overanalyzing here, but I just thought the quote was, um, "interesting". :wink:

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PostFeb 13, 2006#3

Its funny how they called downtown St. Charles the new Chesterfield... thats a joke, chesterfield has no nightlife...





I am 21 now, and I will avoid St. Charles like the black death. I finally got out of that backwater town, and I aint going back. The bars are hoosier havens, and the people are racist retards. You will only find lindenwood kids there, and they are not the urban crowd. Avoid these bars and patronize our friendly Delmar, Soutside, CWE and downtown establishments. They are of much higher quality.





As stated above, it is typical for St. Charles people to abhore the City and its residents. When I invited my St. Charles friends, they were like why do you live here. Then I took them to the Moolah, and they understood why...

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PostFeb 14, 2006#4

stlpcsolutions wrote:I am 21 now, and I will avoid St. Charles like the black death.


I used to go to Saint Charles often since (1) I lived and worked not far away in NW Saint Louis County and (2) the majority of my friends and colleagues at work lived in that direction, making those bars a frequent choice for after work drinks and food.



I don't want to unfairly cast aspersions onto the entire community, but I think your commentary about the majority of patrons in those establishments is spot-on. Things may not have been as raucous when I was in the area six or seven years ago, but you'll never confuse a Saint Charles crowd with one in Saint Louis proper, and I'm much more comfortable in places like the CWE, Soulard, downtown, South Grand, etc. :wink:



I wish I was as enlightened as you when I was 21. I spent a lot of time in the city since I first moved to the Saint Louis area, but it took me too long to discover the virtues of city living, and to realize that suburbia doesn't fit who I really am. I moved into the metro when I was 24, and didn't move to the city until I was 28. I thought I had to live close to work. Big mistake- because I was downsized out of that job, and my suburban dwellings didn't make much sense when I spent so much free time in the city. I guess it's a case of "better late than never", because I'm 31 now, I've spent three years in the city, and I can't imagine living anywhere else.