no idea what he/she is talking about.....as i said above, modot has always gone straight to the Gateway Bike Plan aka the official bike plan of the region and done whatever the bike plan called for that route.chaifetz10 wrote:I'm going to quote 'tbats666' who commented on the article at NextSTL:
Apparently the traffic engineers thought it would be feasible to do one lane in each direction, but had pressure from the city to leave 3 lanes for cars. (At the expense of pedestrian and bike facilities).
In talking to the modot officials at the meeng, I was surprised to find they had never heard of a lot of very basic safety interventions done in other places, Such as green paint bike lanes/sharrows and protected bike lanes (they weren't even aware of the one in downtown St. Louis). I had to show them pictures from my phone.
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^Understood. Just wanted to provide supporting documentation for what I posted.
Perhaps the issue isn't that they weren't originally included, but the actual execution of said lanes. Protection, separation, etc..
Perhaps the issue isn't that they weren't originally included, but the actual execution of said lanes. Protection, separation, etc..
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its done to national standards as called for in the Gateway Bike Plan....chaifetz10 wrote:^Understood. Just wanted to provide supporting documentation for what I posted.
Perhaps the issue isn't that they weren't originally included, but the actual execution of said lanes. Protection, separation, etc..
http://3saguo2foe1c2j78571kps4o.wpengin ... ndards.pdf
http://greatriversgreenway.org/about-us ... bike-plan/
Thanks. I think if they included that in their last paragraph of that web page, it would be clearer to folks.fiscal impacts...other bridge work is about $30M total and had to wait until SFY 2018 (july 1 2017) this one is about $8M.
and other work is closer to kingshighway bridge the city is working on and would have had much bigger impact to traffic
Conway is pushing hard to delay this project. He claims that he's talking to Todd Waelterman and Deanna Venker about delaying it. Is there really anything he can do? Is this just political posturing?
Would MoDot put a 6in curb between the bike lane and the traffic lane? Any reason why we don't see that in St. Louis? I think those give a better feeling of safety.
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Conway & Vollmer introduced the Board Bill (BB265 from 2010-2011 session) appropriating funds for the Kingshighway project 5 years ago. Work was supposed to start end of 2011. The question of why, 5 years later, we're staring at 2 piles of rubble still on Kingshighway should also be asked.pat wrote:Conway is pushing hard to delay this project. He claims that he's talking to Todd Waelterman and Deanna Venker about delaying it. Is there really anything he can do? Is this just political posturing?
Not entirely true. Within the city, MoDOT has often painted bike facilities above and beyond what is called for in the Gateway Bike Plan:dbInSouthCity wrote:as i said above, modot has always gone straight to the Gateway Bike Plan aka the official bike plan of the region and done whatever the bike plan called for that route.
• Chouteau has protected bike lanes. Plan called for regular bike lanes.
• Chippewa between Grand and Gravois has bike lanes. Plan called for sharrows.
• North Broadway has protected bike lanes. Plan called for regular bike lanes.
Though, perhaps it would be safe to assume that MoDOT would not have done these upgrades had the city not requested them?
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where it makes sense to go beyond its been donemill204 wrote:Not entirely true. Within the city, MoDOT has often painted bike facilities above and beyond what is called for in the Gateway Bike Plan:dbInSouthCity wrote:as i said above, modot has always gone straight to the Gateway Bike Plan aka the official bike plan of the region and done whatever the bike plan called for that route.
• Chouteau has protected bike lanes. Plan called for regular bike lanes.
• Chippewa between Grand and Gravois has bike lanes. Plan called for sharrows.
• North Broadway has protected bike lanes. Plan called for regular bike lanes.
Though, perhaps it would be safe to assume that MoDOT would not have done these upgrades had the city not requested them?
How we got here
Story from 2011 about Kingshighway Bridge. Says construction to start at end of 2011. 2011!
http://m.stltoday.com/suburban-journals ... d3681.html
City didn't start until July 2015.
Story from 2011 about Kingshighway Bridge. Says construction to start at end of 2011. 2011!
http://m.stltoday.com/suburban-journals ... d3681.html
City didn't start until July 2015.
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I submitted online feedback to MoDOT last week on my thoughts about the bridge replacement. Yesterday I received this email from them (Not directly to me, but to anyone who attended the meeting or submitted online feedback).
This e-mail is being shared with individuals who attended our March 7 public meeting and wanted to be put on our e-mail list, as well as those individuals who have commented on our virtual public meeting about MoDOT’s work on the Grand Bridge over I-44.
We wanted to share some additional information about the Grand Bridge over I-44. Since 2011, MoDOT has made some significant repairs to the Grand bridge. Winter weather and time have taken its toll on the bridge. The department has to regularly patch the driving surface and has to remove concrete from the underside of the bridge to prevent it from falling on traffic below. This link has a slideshow that shows some of the issues repaired over the last five years on the bridge:
The bridge is safe. However, our bridge experts are concerned that if the bridge is not replaced before next winter, there is a great risk that the department may have to close lanes on the bridge, for safety, until construction can be completed. There is also a high risk of concrete from the bottom of the bridge dropping onto traffic on I-44. It is impossible, of course, to determine when, or if, a lane would have to close. The department believes that the risk is great enough that it would be better to have a planned construction project this summer, even with the Kingshighway closure, than to have a long-term lane closure this winter or next spring.
During construction, we will continue to maintain north-south connections across Grand. Traffic can still turn right onto the interstate through construction, except for a couple two-week periods. We know rush hours will be difficult, but drivers can use I-64 to and from downtown. There is still interstate access at Hampton, Kingshighway to the north, Vandeventer, Jefferson and Lafayette. In addition there are several local overpasses and underpasses for residents to move north and south.
We understand that this is still an inconvenience to the business owners and the residents on Grand. However, it is the most responsible course of action to ensure that the bridge remains safe, open to traffic and fully usable.
ANDREW GATES
Communications Specialist
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moving forward as planned. June-Dec 2016 construction.