Your patience is appreciated... Was wrong on the date
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How wrong were you? We'd really like to know. Are you delaying getting thrown in the Mississippi?gone corporate wrote:Your patience is appreciated... Was wrong on the date
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Probably waiting for a drought and hoping to simply walk out of the river.juiceinkirkwood wrote:How wrong were you? We'd really like to know. Are you delaying getting thrown in the Mississippi?gone corporate wrote:Your patience is appreciated... Was wrong on the date
^Presbyterian—get a soaking, humiliated Gone Corporate crawling out of the drought-ridden, oozing Mississippi on video. Bill it as the world's largest mudpuppy and watch cryptozoologists from all over camp out up and down the Mississippi. That'll make for some interesting tent fires. It almost writes itself.
have a good holiday, all!
have a good holiday, all!
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The last movie I filmed was in VHS and using borrowed equipment.shadrach wrote:^Presbyterian—get a soaking, humiliated Gone Corporate crawling out of the drought-ridden, oozing Mississippi on video. Bill it as the world's largest mudpuppy and watch cryptozoologists from all over camp out up and down the Mississippi. That'll make for some interesting tent fires. It almost writes itself.
But if you want to capture the footage, I'd be happy to do some historical research on the nineteenth century Legend of the Mosenthein Island Mudpuppymonster and the related disappearances of livestock in the area. I believe there are some unmarked graves somewhere that might be connected in some way. I wouldn't be able to footnote the story as much as I like, and it might be under a <different> pseudonym, but it would be a great story nonetheless.
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Whatever happened to this rumor? This announcement was supposed to happen in hours from the original post...
What's worse for this forum: An employee of a much-maligned development (aventura) coming on this forum to defend her livelihood, or a post about a rumor that was only posted because of the tingling, adrenaline-rush it provided.....
What's worse for this forum: An employee of a much-maligned development (aventura) coming on this forum to defend her livelihood, or a post about a rumor that was only posted because of the tingling, adrenaline-rush it provided.....
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sirshankalot wrote:Whatever happened to this rumor? This announcement was supposed to happen in hours from the original post...
What's worse for this forum: An employee of a much-maligned development (aventura) coming on this forum to defend her livelihood, or a post about a rumor that was only posted because of the tingling, adrenaline-rush it provided.....
The OP said "Your patience is appreciated... Was wrong on the date."
Personally, I don't see how is either situation listed above is a negative for the forum.
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The architectural quality of Aventura has nothing to do with her livelihood. It's not personal, it's crap design.sirshankalot wrote:Whatever happened to this rumor? This announcement was supposed to happen in hours from the original post...
What's worse for this forum: An employee of a much-maligned development (aventura) coming on this forum to defend her livelihood, or a post about a rumor that was only posted because of the tingling, adrenaline-rush it provided.....
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I always value GC's very insightful, deep, and well thought out input on a wide variety of topics. He seems to put a lot of thought into his comments, seems to know what he's talking about, and he seems to be well connected. In other words, a valuable AND valued member of this community, much more so than myself. I think your assessment is a tad harsh based on a single post where he admitted that he was wrong on the date.sirshankalot wrote:Whatever happened to this rumor? This announcement was supposed to happen in hours from the original post...
What's worse for this forum: An employee of a much-maligned development (aventura) coming on this forum to defend her livelihood, or a post about a rumor that was only posted because of the tingling, adrenaline-rush it provided.....
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Agreed Juice. Here is GC's original post
He never says that it's a slam dunk or you can take it to the bank.
I certainly hope this happens, especially with the 1500 jobs to be added by Express Scripts as well as Boeing and Monsanto beefing up local employment in the near future.
But it may not. Not all rumors turn out to be true. It's why they are rumors and not facts
Right off the bat he states it is a rumor. He later uses words like "supposedly" and states that he "cannot fully confirm".gone corporate wrote:Rumor: Have heard for the past 2 days, credible sources, that Google will be establishing significant new operations in Saint Louis. Supposedly, the announcement is set for Monday. Target number of new jobs is in excess of 500.
Can't fully confirm, but this sounds real. Validate or refute if you can. Good times.
He never says that it's a slam dunk or you can take it to the bank.
I certainly hope this happens, especially with the 1500 jobs to be added by Express Scripts as well as Boeing and Monsanto beefing up local employment in the near future.
But it may not. Not all rumors turn out to be true. It's why they are rumors and not facts
I have been hoping to see a tech giant like Google reach out to underdog place such as St Louis but keep getting disappointed when I read the news out here. Google, Apple, and the likes keep spending big bucks in Silicon Valley. Which amazes me considering the costs, heck the average home price in South Bay exceeded one million recently.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci ... -sunnyvale
At some point, doesn't anyone with a business sense say that I can get a labor force just as good or better at 60-70% of cost and office lease rates at half.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci ... -sunnyvale
At some point, doesn't anyone with a business sense say that I can get a labor force just as good or better at 60-70% of cost and office lease rates at half.
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It's all about talent. Companies will do business in an expensive high tax environment if they have the talented workforce. No company will move to a low cost low tax locale if they cannot hire experienced talented professionals.
Yep. I agree.downtown2007 wrote:It's all about talent. Companies will do business in an expensive high tax environment if they have the talented workforce. No company will move to a low cost low tax locale if they cannot hire experienced talented professionals.
Let's face it, the Silicon Valley, at least for now, is the capital of the tech world despite the fact other regions are nipping at its heels.
Personally, I believe such will always be the case with the Bay area even as other regions strengthen in technology and resources.
If Google ever expands to St. Louis, my hunch is that it will be due to a local acquisition. Or if one of the local universities pursued a Google-sponsored outfit or "center" of some kind. For example, Google IT Engineering and Research Center @ Washington University...........or something like that.
By the way, Washington University has a couple of faculty who are ex-Google and ex-Yahoo engineers on its Computer Science/Engineering faculty.
I also believe in Jim McKelvey's Lauchcode and similar efforts in St. Louis. These efforts are going to help build engineers and coders in the St. Louis region. And if these efforts are so successful that they create a surplus, I believe St. Louis would begin to see a lot interest from bigger tech players like Google, Yahoo, Apple etc.
Of course this isn't to disrespect locally-based players such as Answers.com, Lockerdome, Aisle411, Crowdsource etc. etc. etc. I hope these firms and start-ups get bigger and become household names.
What? Seriously? You seem oblivious.sirshankalot wrote:and we got no talent
Ah, the personal attack. Always a great way to advance the dialogue.
It seems to me that there's a sort of feedback loop that St. Louis is left out of when it comes to tech: programmers want to work they can get paid the most for their talents (SF, Seattle, New York, etc...), entrepreneurs want to start companies where they can hire the best talent (SF, Seattle, New York, etc...). It probably doesn't help that compared to other industries (ie manufacturing) cost (and profit) isn't as big of an initial concern.
If you wanted to start a bio-engineering company, genetic pharmaceutical company, industrial electrical equipment company, health insurance provider, PR firm, aerospace defense contractor, coal company, financial analytics firm or brewery, St. Louis would make a lot of sense because it's chalk full of talent. Tech? Not so much.
It seems to me that there's a sort of feedback loop that St. Louis is left out of when it comes to tech: programmers want to work they can get paid the most for their talents (SF, Seattle, New York, etc...), entrepreneurs want to start companies where they can hire the best talent (SF, Seattle, New York, etc...). It probably doesn't help that compared to other industries (ie manufacturing) cost (and profit) isn't as big of an initial concern.
If you wanted to start a bio-engineering company, genetic pharmaceutical company, industrial electrical equipment company, health insurance provider, PR firm, aerospace defense contractor, coal company, financial analytics firm or brewery, St. Louis would make a lot of sense because it's chalk full of talent. Tech? Not so much.
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arch city wrote:What? Seriously? You seem oblivious.sirshankalot wrote:and we got no talent
just a joke..sorry I touched a nerve...should have used a smilie....
I think you can chalk up the talent question in part to the cliche that you don't know what you got until you lose it. I bring this up specifically in how it connects to the clearing out of the ATT One center. SBC had a pretty significant number of in house developers, programmers, and techs alike or at least that was my impression from my ATT employed spouse who use to work consistently with fellow employees for software developement needs. It is all out sourced now and very little of that out source stayed within downtown. A number of her co workers semi retired, others went on to work for the likes of Amdocs and who knows how many moved on.
It is shame that this talent pool got dispersed but think Jack M, co-founder of square, is one of the few St Louis business leasders that I think sees the opportunity but also understands what happened. Jacks efforts might be a little late and behind curve ball which will it make it harder to provide that talent pool desired but an effort that is desperately needed. Kudos from him.
It is shame that this talent pool got dispersed but think Jack M, co-founder of square, is one of the few St Louis business leasders that I think sees the opportunity but also understands what happened. Jacks efforts might be a little late and behind curve ball which will it make it harder to provide that talent pool desired but an effort that is desperately needed. Kudos from him.
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^ speaking of JM and growing tech talent:
http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/lau ... ech-talent
at the end of the article there's this:
On growing Launch Code
“We’ve limited the program to 100 just to get a good statistical base. But we expect thousands and thousands of placements to result. We’ve already identified those placements at the companies, so, there are the jobs there, we’ve identified roughly 5,000 open positions right now.”
http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/lau ... ech-talent
at the end of the article there's this:
On growing Launch Code
“We’ve limited the program to 100 just to get a good statistical base. But we expect thousands and thousands of placements to result. We’ve already identified those placements at the companies, so, there are the jobs there, we’ve identified roughly 5,000 open positions right now.”
I am assuming that was directed at me. Oblivious is simply "unknowing", unconscious, unaware.wabash wrote:Ah, the personal attack. Always a great way to advance the dialogue.
Although it may not be on the level of the Silicon Valley, St. Louis has a lot of IT talent. St. Louis wouldn't be getting all of this notoriety otherwise.
It isn't a personal attack at all to suggest one seems oblivious when he or she says "there's no talent" and the proof demonstrates differently.
Well thanks arch city. Now I know that it's not rude, insulting or priggish to say that someone seems oblivious.
Now how about Google and St. Louis.
Now how about Google and St. Louis.
Well, I do have a rather expansive vocabulary thanks to the St. Louis Public Schools. 
Perhaps I could have used a more elementary term such as the synonym "unaware" for the sensitive types.
Anyway..........for those interested.......a Chicago code shop is also setting up in St. Louis.
I'm thinking like Gabe Lozano of Lockerdome. In ten years, St. Louis is going to be a solid tech city.
The region is going to be too hard to ignore.
Perhaps I could have used a more elementary term such as the synonym "unaware" for the sensitive types.
Anyway..........for those interested.......a Chicago code shop is also setting up in St. Louis.
I'm thinking like Gabe Lozano of Lockerdome. In ten years, St. Louis is going to be a solid tech city.
The region is going to be too hard to ignore.
