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PostMar 31, 2011#26

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/03/30/27 ... imate.html
“We wanted to find a location where we could build quickly and efficiently. Kansas City has great infrastructure and Kansas has a great business-friendly environment for us to deploy a service in,” said Milo Medin, vice president for access services for Google.

Medin and other Google executives showered the city with praise Wednesday.

“The leadership has been phenomenal,” Medin said.

The city operated at “Google speed in order to help craft this,” he said. “Moving at Google speed is not usually possible for the average city.”

It turns out that the consolidated city-county government had a lot to do with that speed.
:evil: :cry: :? :cry: :roll:

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PostMar 31, 2011#27

arch_genesis wrote:http://www.kansascity.com/2011/03/30/27 ... imate.html
“We wanted to find a location where we could build quickly and efficiently. Kansas City has great infrastructure and Kansas has a great business-friendly environment for us to deploy a service in,” said Milo Medin, vice president for access services for Google.

Medin and other Google executives showered the city with praise Wednesday.

“The leadership has been phenomenal,” Medin said.

The city operated at “Google speed in order to help craft this,” he said. “Moving at Google speed is not usually possible for the average city.”

It turns out that the consolidated city-county government had a lot to do with that speed.
:evil: :cry: :? :cry: :roll:
Notice how they're big on the state of Kansas, though. Kansas has no state income tax. I might as well mention Kansas is also a right-to-work state, but that tends to fire people up and is very controversial.

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PostMar 31, 2011#28

rawest wrote:
arch_genesis wrote:http://www.kansascity.com/2011/03/30/27 ... imate.html
“We wanted to find a location where we could build quickly and efficiently. Kansas City has great infrastructure and Kansas has a great business-friendly environment for us to deploy a service in,” said Milo Medin, vice president for access services for Google.

Medin and other Google executives showered the city with praise Wednesday.

“The leadership has been phenomenal,” Medin said.

The city operated at “Google speed in order to help craft this,” he said. “Moving at Google speed is not usually possible for the average city.”

It turns out that the consolidated city-county government had a lot to do with that speed.
:evil: :cry: :? :cry: :roll:
Notice how they're big on the state of Kansas, though. Kansas has no state income tax. I might as well mention Kansas is also a right-to-work state, but that tends to fire people up and is very controversial.
It's also quite flat.

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PostMar 31, 2011#29

rawest wrote:I bet they are very happy about it.

Unlike the ass-backwards thinking of so many in St. Louis, most metro areas are actually united, both geographically and psychologically.
Funny you say this - having lived both places I would say Kansas City is a much more divided metro area. True there are not 200 small governments – but there is much less regional identity also. There are no pro-sports teams that unite the region like the Cardinals do in STL (Chiefs used to but now stink). Most people seem to identify with college sports - and with five Big 12 teams within 4 hours, there isn't enough consensus to generate common unity. Plus the wealth is seen as being on the Kansas side while the expensive cultural amenities are on (and paid for by) the Missouri side. People on the Kansas side are big on Kansas - people on the Missouri side hate Kansas.
DaronDierkes wrote:I wonder how people in Kansas City, Missouri feel about this.
Most people I have talked to are fairly ambivalent; there isn't much urban redevelopment there, aren't many high profile companies and a small percentage of population. It isn’t the center of the region, has next to no cultural attractions and most people don’t go there (no reason or desire). The population there is perceived as being either ghetto KCK proper or exurban trailer trash sprawl (out by the Legends). The new Soccer Stadium / NASCAR TRACK exurban development and KU MED (KU and the states only medical school) seem to be the main high profile beneficiaries but still very minimal.

As was mentioned by previous posters - the Unified Government (city and county combined into one government) and state had a LOT to do with this. For Google, the image of it didn't hurt: Middle America and Kansas. To California, Kansas City is a place "everyone has heard of but no one has been to" such that "If they can do it there - they can do it anywhere"

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PostMar 31, 2011#30

Yeah this would have been pretty great but at least we have Charter. That being said we also have those data centres popping up downtown so I think St. Louis will continue to emerge as a good place to do IT. Other business people will find that out. Hopefully before the 2020 Census.

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PostApr 01, 2011#31

Here's why some of my old war stories may have merit in current discussions.
The key word in the article below, at least in terms of the current discussion, is "Sprint." The reader is also left to deduce how much assistance we received from all of our fine civic organizations in establishing this hub.
Sometime immediately before or after this, one of the local umbrella groups sent out an RFP for means of increasing local corporations' access to the 'Net. The winning bid provided discounted dial-up subscriptions to Postnet.
Perhaps "it's all different now." Perhaps not.
(And as I re-read this article, I'm wondering whether I should ask for royalties from the St. Loui-is campaign. 8) )
LOCAL INTERNET HUB MAY SPEED UP WEB, E-MAIL
Monday, 6/10/1996
By Denise Smith Amos\Of The Post-Dispatch Staff
Meet me on St. Louix, Louix, meet me on the Net.
That could make a catchy rallying cry for Data Research Associates Inc. and Starnet LLC. They are two Internet service providers trying to organize St. Louis' first local hub, which they are calling StlouIX. DRA is a publicly traded Olivette company that sells computer systems and Internet access mostly to libraries, linking them through the Internet.
Last year it had sales of $35 million. It employs 200 people.
Starnet is a three-person Internet operation hatched at Washington University but spun off into a private entity in 1994. It primarily provides Internet access to 200 of St. Louis' largest companies and last year generated revenue exceeding $1 million. It also is based in Olivette.
There are about 30 companies like DRA and Starnet, each offering Internet access to businesses and homes in the St. Louis area through their own network or bank of modems. So far, about 38 percent of St. Louis' businesses and several thousand area homes have Net access.
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The Internet is a loose collection of computer networks spanning the globe. Most people use the Net for e-mail or to surf the World Wide Web - an always-open realm of computer archives and data sites bearing video, audio, text, and computer programs for all or for specially selected computer users.
Anyone who compares the Net to the phone system is simplifying things, said Joe Bonwich, a DRA vice president. When people make long-distance phone calls, their local phone company connects with a national one through a system of exchanges. Then that national company connects with the local company of the person being called. But someone making a local call won't trigger those exchanges because each local phone company's equipment talks to each other's.
The Internet isn't that logical yet, Bonwich said. Most of its local service providers don't link up with each other directly because they are competitors. Instead, they send each message, regardless of its destination, out onto the Internet - like a caller in Clayton having his or her call patched through AT&T's Atlanta office before it reaches its destination in Ladue.
Nevertheless, there are only eight or nine points on the Internet networks accessed by St. Louis where local Net companies intersect. Those points, called Internet Exchange Points, are mostly on the East and West coasts.
So an e-mail message in Creve Coeur must go to San Francisco before it can land in Olivette. "If I wanted to look at DRA's home page right now, I'd be going from here to Kansas City, to Willow Springs somewhere, to Chicago and back to St. Louis, " said Chris Myers, Starnet's president.
The farther away data must travel on the Internet and the more networks it must jump, the greater the chance it won't make it to the computer at the other end. In fact, about 4 percent of computer messages transmitted via the Net get lost on the way.
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If DRA and Starnet are successful in establishing StlouIX (pronounced "Saint Lou-ix"), sending e-mail or logging onto a St. Louis-based Web site could be faster and easier for you and cheaper for service providers.
But the providers must first voluntarily link with StlouIX, a tricky process because service providers often don't trust their competition enough to rely on them to act as the center point for the exchange, said Bonwich at DRA.
"The more (Internet service) providers are connected to it, the more likely things will move faster across town, " he said. Even if only four of the remaining 30 Internet providers join StlouIX, though, they all should save thousands of dollars in monthly access fees that they won't have to pay the major national and international Internet network providers, such as MCI and Sprint.
And St. Louis would in fact have its own hub right here.

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PostApr 01, 2011#32

^ AT&T doesn't charge St. Louis to roll out its fiber infrastructure. Therefore, I don't understand how your article relates. Google's business model requires a faster, more robust, and cheaper internet for the masses to enable further growth. I don't see Google seriously entering the fiber market but kudos to them if their experimentation spurs more competition.

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PostApr 03, 2011#33

Like everything else, devil will be in the details for which their didn't seem like a whole come out when announced. The one comment that I heard across the radio is that they won't have to tear up streets. In other words, really curious on how they are going to make those speeds work for everyone.

Also, it interesting that Kansas City, Kansas has a population of 150,000 and yet has the perception of Kansas City as a metro area. I bet this played a part into the decision making for Google as they had to pick something that is manageable, within a cost range that won't hurt their bottom line if things don't pan out(Verizon and ATT spent billions rolling out fiber and semi fiber infrastructure) and yet have a recognizeable place. Doesn't hurt if the place has a higher percentage of people who can actually afford it.

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PostApr 04, 2011#34

innov8ion wrote:^ AT&T doesn't charge St. Louis to roll out its fiber infrastructure. Therefore, I don't understand how your article relates. Google's business model requires a faster, more robust, and cheaper internet for the masses to enable further growth. I don't see Google seriously entering the fiber market but kudos to them if their experimentation spurs more competition.
You're being too literal, 8. The point of posting the article wasn't about actual tech logistics -- it was that there was, and is a huge disconnect/lack of understanding between the people who make decisions/lead the initiatives and the people doing the tech work.

There was a boatload of 'net traffic and 'net infrastructure around here in those days, but no one to serve as a "civic consolidator" to exploit the capacity and knowledge and establish us as a potential tech magnet. (The RCGA did come up with an initiative called "Technology Gateway," but at the 3-4 meetings I attended, it was clear that its primary, if unintended, function was for early web-designers based here to hawk their services to technically unsophisticated mid- to large-size companies.)

One indirect recent comparison would be how no one knew about the expanding local presence of Woot.com until they were acquired and moved.

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