Yeah, it is right next to the Madison County bus stop....
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I don't really care about Dirt Cheap. It's not a classy business, but it's a business nontetheless. At least someone will be using the space.
No lease has been signed as of last Friday. There are still several options for this location that Mark P and gang are working on currently. During the All Star game there is going to be a great installation of interactive screens set up in the storefronts of this building. InBev is sponsoring it. Make sure to check it out.
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I don't mind if they sell beer or liquor, as long as they don't sell 40 oz cans of Busch or Boones Farm or Mad Dog. That's what will draw the bums.
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A Dirt Cheap might be one of the few businesses located downtown that would be successful in this economy. In addition they would probably be open longer hours than many other downtown businesses presently are bringing life on evenings and weekends to a pretty deserted part of the area.
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The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I don't mind if they sell beer or liquor, as long as they don't sell 40 oz cans of Busch or Boones Farm or Mad Dog. That's what will draw the bums.
That's my concern. I'm not opposed to a downtown Dirt Cheap location per se, I'm just concerned about the merchandise mix and the people it may attract.
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ThreeOneFour wrote:The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I don't mind if they sell beer or liquor, as long as they don't sell 40 oz cans of Busch or Boones Farm or Mad Dog. That's what will draw the bums.
That's my concern. I'm not opposed to a downtown Dirt Cheap location per se, I'm just concerned about the merchandise mix and the people it may attract.
Talk about elitism and gentrification....sheesh! Spoken like true suburban transplants (I can only assume). All downtown residents should only be the type of people who buy wine from Copia or someplace like that? I for one have a darned hard time finding a place to buy any liquor ( whether it's Dom, Busch, MD20/20...whatever) after 6pm. How judgmental can you be? Bussone's is great and manages to control any riff raff...they just close too early. I assume Dirt Cheap knows how to manage their stores...anything has to be better than that hell hole 7Eleven. In my opinion it's not the customers who make that 7Eleven crappy...it's the management and mostly rude employees. Personally, I could care less what the guy in front of me is buying...and it's really none of my business.Sorry for the snotty tone....but sheesh!! Never realized I was being watched and judged at check out counters to see what "merchandise mix" I might be buying. Now I'm going to be paranoid every time I try to spend money in my own neighborhood. Should we have a check list for anyone moving downtown? Do you approve of their clothes? Hair? Job? etc.?
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streetsabby wrote:ThreeOneFour wrote:The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I don't mind if they sell beer or liquor, as long as they don't sell 40 oz cans of Busch or Boones Farm or Mad Dog. That's what will draw the bums.
That's my concern. I'm not opposed to a downtown Dirt Cheap location per se, I'm just concerned about the merchandise mix and the people it may attract.
Talk about elitism and gentrification....sheesh! Spoken like true suburban transplants (I can only assume). All downtown residents should only be the type of people who buy wine from Copia or someplace like that? I for one have a darned hard time finding a place to buy any liquor ( whether it's Dom, Busch, MD20/20...whatever) after 6pm. How judgmental can you be? Bussone's is great and manages to control any riff raff...they just close too early. I assume Dirt Cheap knows how to manage their stores...anything has to be better than that hell hole 7Eleven. In my opinion it's not the customers who make that 7Eleven crappy...it's the management and mostly rude employees. Personally, I could care less what the guy in front of me is buying...and it's really none of my business.Sorry for the snotty tone....but sheesh!! Never realized I was being watched and judged at check out counters to see what "merchandise mix" I might be buying. Now I'm going to be paranoid every time I try to spend money in my own neighborhood. Should we have a check list for anyone moving downtown? Do you approve of their clothes? Hair? Job? etc.?
They are talking about the homeless who buy 40 oz cans of alcohol with change they harassed tourists for, drank it, threw the can in the street, peed in a parking garage, bathed in a fountain, slept on a park bench, only to wake up and ask more tourists for change.
They are not talking about people who drink liquor or beer.
This already happened in another thread, where you spouted off something stupid immediately without putting any thought in beforehand. IDEA: Type your post, save it to Notepad, wait 24 hours and read others' comments and try and comprehend what the original post you are responding to said, then when you see it isn't fit for the conversation, close Notepad and do not save.
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JuiceInDogtown wrote:streetsabby wrote:ThreeOneFour wrote:
That's my concern. I'm not opposed to a downtown Dirt Cheap location per se, I'm just concerned about the merchandise mix and the people it may attract.
Talk about elitism and gentrification....sheesh! Spoken like true suburban transplants (I can only assume). All downtown residents should only be the type of people who buy wine from Copia or someplace like that? I for one have a darned hard time finding a place to buy any liquor ( whether it's Dom, Busch, MD20/20...whatever) after 6pm. How judgmental can you be? Bussone's is great and manages to control any riff raff...they just close too early. I assume Dirt Cheap knows how to manage their stores...anything has to be better than that hell hole 7Eleven. In my opinion it's not the customers who make that 7Eleven crappy...it's the management and mostly rude employees. Personally, I could care less what the guy in front of me is buying...and it's really none of my business.Sorry for the snotty tone....but sheesh!! Never realized I was being watched and judged at check out counters to see what "merchandise mix" I might be buying. Now I'm going to be paranoid every time I try to spend money in my own neighborhood. Should we have a check list for anyone moving downtown? Do you approve of their clothes? Hair? Job? etc.?
They are talking about the homeless who buy 40 oz cans of alcohol with change they harassed tourists for, drank it, threw the can in the street, peed in a parking garage, bathed in a fountain, slept on a park bench, only to wake up and ask more tourists for change.
They are not talking about people who drink liquor or beer.
This already happened in another thread, where you spouted off something stupid immediately without putting any thought in beforehand. IDEA: Type your post, save it to Notepad, wait 24 hours and read others' comments and try and comprehend what the original post you are responding to said, then when you see it isn't fit for the conversation, close Notepad and do not save.
Saying people shouldn't sell or be able to buy certain products because they will attract undesirables is in my opinion controlling, limiting and judgmental. Telling people how and what to post on a forum is also controlling, limiting and judgmental. I guess I hit a soft spot because you seem to be one of the judgers I was talking about. I am a business owner and I'll be damned if I allowed anyone to tell me what I can or can't sell. It's not the merchandise that brings in "Bums", it's not the shop owners. The shop owner can refuse to sell to someone if the customers are causing problems. And you can refuse to give anyone money to buy that certain "merchandise mix." Plus, you are filled with contradictions...you say "they" are not talking about people who drink beer or liquor but you also say "they" are talking about people who buy liquor with change they bummed...what makes them bum for change or pee for that matter? Sometimes beer and liquor!
And please don't call my opinions/spouts stupid Juice. I don't think I really deserve that. If I'm not welcome to post on this site fine, let me know. I will then run my business and actively try to make downtown a better place to live without Urbanstl and your opinions and spouts. All while sipping on a cold 40 oz. Busch, purchased from a store of my choice who is free to sell what they want....
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streetsabby wrote:ThreeOneFour wrote:The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I don't mind if they sell beer or liquor, as long as they don't sell 40 oz cans of Busch or Boones Farm or Mad Dog. That's what will draw the bums.
That's my concern. I'm not opposed to a downtown Dirt Cheap location per se, I'm just concerned about the merchandise mix and the people it may attract.
Talk about elitism and gentrification....sheesh! Spoken like true suburban transplants (I can only assume). All downtown residents should only be the type of people who buy wine from Copia or someplace like that? I for one have a darned hard time finding a place to buy any liquor ( whether it's Dom, Busch, MD20/20...whatever) after 6pm. How judgmental can you be? Bussone's is great and manages to control any riff raff...they just close too early. I assume Dirt Cheap knows how to manage their stores...anything has to be better than that hell hole 7Eleven. In my opinion it's not the customers who make that 7Eleven crappy...it's the management and mostly rude employees. Personally, I could care less what the guy in front of me is buying...and it's really none of my business.Sorry for the snotty tone....but sheesh!! Never realized I was being watched and judged at check out counters to see what "merchandise mix" I might be buying. Now I'm going to be paranoid every time I try to spend money in my own neighborhood. Should we have a check list for anyone moving downtown? Do you approve of their clothes? Hair? Job? etc.?
Please, calm down.
Did you read the part where I said that generally speaking I have no problem with Dirt Cheap locating here before you went on your tirade?
I will admit I was initially concerned about the possibility of Dirt Cheap opening a store in this location because of the types of behavior Central and Juice mentioned. And it's not at all uncommon for the sale of specific containers of alcohol to be restricted as this is a concern in many settings, not just downtown St. Louis. As long as the city gives proper thought and scrutiny to the licensing process and takes nearby residents' and businesses' concerns into account, fine. And based on other Dirt Cheap locations I have every reason to believe this potential location would be well managed.
I don't know where to begin with the wildly incorrect assumptions you've made about me and my values, so I won't even waste my time.
Similar arguments against Randalls - and yeah they're NIMBY. If you have problems with a 2 by 4 of Busch then move back to Chesterfield where you can't by them in singles. If you don't want bums then move elsewhere to a municipality that dumps them Downtown.
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I think a DC would be frequented more by lofties and alcoholic attorneys working late than anyone else. 
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Doug wrote:Similar arguments against Randalls - and yeah they're NIMBY. If you have problems with a 2 by 4 of Busch then move back to Chesterfield where you can't by them in singles. If you don't want bums then move elsewhere to a municipality that dumps them Downtown.
Serious question; what neighborhood do you live in? It seems you are always quick to judge those who don't want certain things in their neighborhood for very good reasons, and it's typically those that live downtown, where you think it should be anarchy.
JuiceInDogtown wrote:Doug wrote:Similar arguments against Randalls - and yeah they're NIMBY. If you have problems with a 2 by 4 of Busch then move back to Chesterfield where you can't by them in singles. If you don't want bums then move elsewhere to a municipality that dumps them Downtown.
Serious question; what neighborhood do you live in? It seems you are always quick to judge those who don't want certain things in their neighborhood for very good reasons, and it's typically those that live downtown, where you think it should be anarchy.
I had drug dealers arrested on my block so it's not all rosy and a gated community.
I don't think we should regulate business owners -- especially those who have a stake in the neighborhood. Fred, who owns Dirt Cheap, also owns Teutenberg's. He's not going to want 'bums to take over," because that would effect his business. Mark, who owns the Gill, Thaxton, and Cosmopolitan, won't want that either. So assuming you're right and cheap beer attracts bums, well they will take steps to prevent that from occurring.
Stop freaking out. Again if you have a problem with bums then advocate for a regional solution that involves municipalities other than ours dealing with them. Wanting to restrict types of liquor is simply elitist. I bought some High Life at Bussone's a few weeks ago before my kickball game in Tower Grove Park. I happened to be downtown that day and it was convenient. I shouldn't have to go somewhere else for cheap liquor. If we want a vibrant, 24/7 City, unlike homogeneous Chesterfield, then we need to promote diversity not a monoculture -- and that extends to not only our built environment, but goods and services including types of booze.
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The DEA moved the last batch of people who lived in my home in Dogtown. Apparently they were illegals AND they were selling dope! We still get mail for at least 3 different Mexican last names. That most certainly doesn't speak to the residents of my neighborhood. But it also doesn't mean that I'm "in tune" with the hood because I'm certainly not. Having drug dealers on your block means nothing.Doug wrote:JuiceInDogtown wrote:Doug wrote:Similar arguments against Randalls - and yeah they're NIMBY. If you have problems with a 2 by 4 of Busch then move back to Chesterfield where you can't by them in singles. If you don't want bums then move elsewhere to a municipality that dumps them Downtown.
Serious question; what neighborhood do you live in? It seems you are always quick to judge those who don't want certain things in their neighborhood for very good reasons, and it's typically those that live downtown, where you think it should be anarchy.
I had drug dealers arrested on my block so it's not all rosy and a gated community.
I hope you're right. I guess all you can do is give him the benefit of the doubt.Doug wrote:I don't think we should regulate business owners -- especially those who have a stake in the neighborhood. Fred, who owns Dirt Cheap, also owns Teutenberg's. He's not going to want 'bums to take over," because that would effect his business. Mark, who owns the Gill, Thaxton, and Cosmopolitan, won't want that either. So assuming you're right and cheap beer attracts bums, well they will take steps to prevent that from occurring.
Doug wrote:Stop freaking out. Again if you have a problem with bums then advocate for a regional solution that involves municipalities other than ours dealing with them. Wanting to restrict types of liquor is simply elitist. I bought some High Life at Bussone's a few weeks ago before my kickball game in Tower Grove Park. I happened to be downtown that day and it was convenient. I shouldn't have to go somewhere else for cheap liquor. If we want a vibrant, 24/7 City, unlike homogeneous Chesterfield, then we need to promote diversity not a monoculture -- and that includes all goods and services including types of booze.
Bums are not a problem in my neighborhood, but I also have sympathy for those who live in areas (like downtown) where it IS a problem. Just like the no doubt THOUSANDS of good, honest, hard-working people on the north side. I have sympathy for what they have to live with and around but stay because they can't afford to leave or they do genuinely love their neighborhood.
You just need to try and walk a mile in someone elses shoes every once in a while - and yes, I even mean white people who aren't homeless.
Liquor is legal. If bums want it they will go wherever to get it. So if we ban it Downtown they'll get in the bus and hang out in your 'hood. NIMBY moves the problem elsewhere.
Can't we simply be happy the Gill was rehabbed and not torn down in 83 for that nasty garage?
Can't we simply be happy the Gill was rehabbed and not torn down in 83 for that nasty garage?
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I'm assuming the new Schnucks will be selling booze as well, no?
Why do we have to give Dirt Cheap such a hard time over it?
Plus Randall's on Jefferson does not sell cold beer or liquor smaller than a fifth.
My guess is residents could demand that of Dirt Cheap as well. I would rather them do that than be all NIMBY and keep them out.
Why do we have to give Dirt Cheap such a hard time over it?
Plus Randall's on Jefferson does not sell cold beer or liquor smaller than a fifth.
My guess is residents could demand that of Dirt Cheap as well. I would rather them do that than be all NIMBY and keep them out.
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Doug wrote:NIMBY moves the problem elsewhere.
Great! That's what we want.
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The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Doug wrote:NIMBY moves the problem elsewhere.
Great! That's what we want.
Yes! Let's push it out to Chesterfield!
Give Dirt Cheap a break. Even if it does attract 1 or 2 bums, it will also attract numerous everyday respectable people who just want to buy some liquor. And when they buy this liquor, they will be funneling their money into a local business and into the downtown economy.
^Yes.
And the more they drink the better Downtown looks, despite the plethora of parking garages.
And the more they drink the better Downtown looks, despite the plethora of parking garages.
Why does the awning say Antidote? that sounds like a bad club name.
That is the name of the marketing/pr firm that is occupying the upstairs.
Just wanted to let everyone know Fred Teutenberg is no longer associated with Dirt Cheap. He left the big company ans pesky chicken behind but he will be opening his own line of stores keep an eye out for the new commercials they will be comming out soon. Excited to be looking at locations downtown and around the STL area.
Fred Teutenberg is bringing us a new retail store Fred's Cheapo Depto featuring smokes and spirits... keep an eye out. 