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PostOct 21, 2005#51

If I were to change street names, my number one priority would be Wharf Street along the riverfront. If Sullivan or whatever his name is deserves to be memorialized, let's put up a statue for him.

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PostOct 21, 2005#52

It's a woman isn't it? I always thought Leonor K Sullivan was a womans name. But, to be honest...I have no idea.

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PostOct 21, 2005#53

I agree - I like Wharf Street. With the proposed riverfront improvements, you could market Wharf Street as a destination, not unlike Washington Avenue.

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PostOct 21, 2005#54

Wyoming, Connecticut and Utah confuse the otherwise north-south state street pattern. However, these streets aren't named directly after the states.



Wyoming is after the Wyoming valley in Pennsylvania.



Connecticut is named after the Connecticut Mutual Life Insurance Co. that financed housing in the area.



Utah is named after the Ute Indians.



Most east-west streets in the "state-streets" area are named after indian tribes and/or rivers, not states, including Cherokee, Potomac, Miami, Winnebago, Chippewa, Keokuk, Osage, Gasconade, Meramec and others further south.



But since many names are shared by Indians, States and Rivers, the true origin or inspiration of such street names may never be fully clear.

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PostOct 21, 2005#55

I have decided that my very favorite street name in the city is one named after an Indian Mound that was senselessly destroyed:



Cote Brilliante...



Ah...forget the renaming of streets...reconstruct the mound!

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PostOct 22, 2005#56

southslider wrote:


But since many names are shared by Indians, States and Rivers, the true origin or inspiration of such street names may never be fully clear.


Thats the problem then, because wasn't Utah named for those same Native American tribes? So was the street named after the tribe, the state, or the state named for the tribe?



Frankly, I'm not one for caring about where the streets name came from, just that it had a purpose for being named that. If that makes any sense.

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PostOct 22, 2005#57

In this time of Sensitivity and Political Correctness, I think we should rename all streets named after Native American Tribes as to not hurt anyones feelings.

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PostOct 22, 2005#58

The Natives deserve their country back.

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PostOct 22, 2005#59

So do you think it would be weird if all the Americans got up and left the USA, giving the country back to the Native Americans? A country of a few million people, the size of this country...and what about people who are part NA? Do they get to stay?



What would that do to Europe?

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PostOct 22, 2005#60

Hmm...ouch...



I think the statue at Jefferson and Cherokee of the Cherokee Indian is a bit much.

PostOct 23, 2005#61

Expat wrote:If I were to change street names, my number one priority would be Wharf Street along the riverfront. If Sullivan or whatever his name is deserves to be memorialized, let's put up a statue for him.


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PostNov 01, 2005#62

Here are some fun facts about St. Louis Streets from William B. and Marcella C. Magnan's "The Streets of St. Louis"...



-We had a Government Street and a Capitol Street



-We still have a Liberty Street



-We eliminated Pacific but we still have an Atlantic



-We had a Short Street, but no Long St.



-We have an End St., but no Beginning St.



-We have a Hill St. and a Dale St., Mound St. and High St., Plateau St., Cave St., High Pointe, High View, Valley and Prairie St.



-We have a River St., Water St., Ripple St., River Bluff Dr., Wharf, Dock and Ferry St.



-We have a Castle Lane, a Kings Drive, a Queens Avenue, a Duke Street and a Regal Place. The streets named for royalty in the city can't compare with the number of royalty streets in north St. Louis County. One area has Castle, Crown Point, Royal, Empire, Empress, Monarch, Viscount, Lord, and Earl St. It also has King and Queen, Prince and Princess, Baron and Baroness, Count and Countess, and Duke and Duchess Streets.



-We no longer have a Wood St., but we have an Iron St.



-We no longer have a Soft St., but we have a Sharp St.



-We had streets named Summer, Fall, Winter, Spring, and two streets named Autumn. Spring and Fall, located in 63113, are all that are left.



-We have a Park, Forest, Gardenville, a Garden and a Fountain street.



-We have a North Court, East Court, West Court, and a South Court; we also have a Center Court.



-We had a Lucky St., and a Crooked Street.



-We have a Bent Street and a Half Street.



-We have a Pleasant Street and a Mount Pleasant Street.



-We have a Grace Avenue, Church Road, and Convent Street, but no Rectory street.



-We have a Berger and a Hamburg.



-We have a Pope Street, Cardinal Street, and Bishops Place, but no Priest Street. The nearest Priest St. is in Ballwin.

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This is interesting too:



Some streets names were changed when Carondelet was annexed by the City:



Pennsylvania --> Bates

Clark --> Eichelberger

Hiawatha --> Pulaski

Termination --> Delor

Allen --> Fassen

Berthold --> Bellerive

Market --> Bowen

Franklin --> Courtois

Block --> Keokuk

Pritchard --> Meramec

Endora --> Gustine

Lily --> Alexander



Carondelet once had street names running in alphabetical order:

Adams, now Eiler

Bates

Cedar, now Caldwell

Dover

Elwood

Fillmore

Grundy, eliminated

Illinois, now Iron

Kansas, now Holly Hills

Lafayette, now Soper

Miller, now Mott

Nebraska, now Haven

Olive, now Krauss

Pine, now Loughborough

Quincy

Randolph, now Blow

St. Louis, now Nagel

Taylor, now Robert

Union, now Upton

Vine, now Koeln

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PostNov 02, 2005#63

^ very interesting. Thanks.

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PostDec 06, 2005#64

Could someone help me compile a list of St. Louis Street names named after famous people, preferably using their whole names?



I'm possibly going to be doing a project for my Gender and Society class that will see if City street names honor more males or females. I think I know which, but I was hoping we could compile a list.



I'm not talking presidents, since they've all been male, or street names that have obscure connections to an early land owner.



I know, of course, Martin Luther King Dr. and Lenore K. Sullivan. There's also a James "Cool Papa" Bell. Any others? Your help will be much appreciated.

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PostDec 06, 2005#65

Redd Fox Ln

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PostDec 06, 2005#66

Jack Buck Way, Dick Weber Lane, Eads, Chouteau, Laclede. I'll think of more later.

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PostDec 06, 2005#67

Thanks guys! Keep 'em coming. I need 25! :D



Another project I was thinking of was to look at the Loop's Walk of Fame and to see how many male stars and female stars there are.



I could combine the two and see how many famous St. Louisans have a street named after them. That way I could see if men are considered more important and worthy of a street name. Hmm...

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PostDec 06, 2005#68

Henry Shaw?

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PostDec 06, 2005#69

ST. LOUIS WALK OF FAME INDUCTEES



alphabetical listing:

A

Maya Angelou

Henry Armstrong

B

Josephine Baker

Fontella Bass

"Cool Papa" Bell

Yogi Berra

Chuck Berry

Susan Blow

Lou Brock

Jack Buck

Grace Bumbry

William Burroughs



C

Harry Caray

Kate Chopin

Auguste Chouteau

William Clark

Barry Commoner

Arthur Holly Compton

Jimmy Connors

Carl & Gerty Cori

Bob Costas



D

John Danforth

William Danforth

Dwight Davis

Miles Davis

Dizzy Dean

Dan Dierdorf

Phyllis Diller

Katherine Dunham

E

James B. Eads

Tom Eagleton

Charles Eames

Buddy Ebsen

T.S. Eliot

William Greenleaf Eliot

Stanley Elkin

Mary Englebreit

Walker Evans

F

Eugene Field

Redd Foxx



G

Joe Garagiola

Dave Garroway

William Gass

Bob Gibson

John Goodman

Betty Grable

Ulysses S. Grant

Dick Gregory

Robert Guilllaume





H

John Hartford

Al Hirschfeld

Rogers Hornsby

A.E. Hotchner



I

William Inge



J

Johnnie Johnson

Scott Joplin

Jackie Joyner-Kersee

K

Albert King

Kevin Kline

L

Pierre Laclede

Charles Lindbergh

Theodore Link

Elijah Lovejoy



M

Ed Macauley

Marsha Mason

Masters & Johnson

Bill Mauldin

Virginia Mayo

Michael McDonald

Robert McFerrin, Sr.

David Merrick

Archie Moore

Marianne Moore

Agnes Moorehead

Stan Musial



N

Howard Nemerov



O

Gyo Obata



P

Marlin Perkins

Mike Peters

Vincent Price

Joseph Pulitzer

R

Harold Ramis

Peter Raven

Paul C. Reinert, S.J.

Branch Rickey

Irma Rombauer

Charles M. Russell

S

David Sanborn

Red Schoendienst

Dred & Harriet Scott

Henry Shaw

William T. Sherman

Leonard Slatkin

Jackie Smith

Ozzie Smith

Willie Mae Ford Smith



T

Sara Teasdale

Clark Terry

Kay Thompson

Henry Townsend

Helen Traubel

Ernest Trova

Ike Turner

Tina Turner



V

Mona Van Duyn



W

Dick Weber

Mary Wickes

Tennessee Williams

Shelley Winters

Harriett Woods



All right. Which of these have streets named after them?

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PostDec 07, 2005#70

Blow is named for Henrey Blow, President Grant's ambassado to Brazil. Also the father of Susan Blow, who started the first kindergarten.



Compton is named for Richard Jordan Compton, cousin of the developer of the area.



Longfellow and Hawthorne in Compton Heights are named after Henry Wadsworth Longfellow and Nathaniel Hawthorne. Milton is name after John Milton, and English poet.



Maj. William Christy is the namesake for Chrsity.



The 1884 election gave us 3 names. Thurman for Cleveland's VP, Blaine for Cleveland's opponent, and Fulsom for Cleveland's wife Frances Fulsom.



Parker for George Ward Parker, Russell is for James Russell. Gustine is for a relative of Rusell. Beck is named for John Beck. Bingham is for John Bingham.



All of these come from "The Streets of St. Louis" I realize not all that I listed are world famous people, but they were just named I ran across in just a couple of pages. I'll post more later, but I have to get back to a paper now.

PostDec 07, 2005#71

One more. Arthur is named for President Arthur.

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PostDec 07, 2005#72

Thanks so much, Matt.

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PostDec 07, 2005#73

Don't forget Josephine Baker by SLU and James Cool Papa Bell.

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PostDec 09, 2005#74

anyone ever seen the street Race Course. Tiny street in Forest Park SE. Near the intersection of Vandeventer and Tower Grove.

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PostDec 09, 2005#75

Race Course has always been my favorite, too.

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