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Downtown St. Louis Housing and Population Numbers

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PostJan 28, 2005#1

Downtown population is single, young and growing

By Tavia Evans

Of the Post-Dispatch

01/27/2005



Downtown's newest residents are an enviable bunch: twentysomething, single with incomes of up to $50,000 a year.



And more of them are on the way, according to a report being released today by the Downtown St. Louis Partnership. A housing boom will occur in 2006, when more than 1,500 new residential units will open in the downtown market, the report predicts.



That's almost equal to the total units developed there in the last five years, said Jim Cloar, president of Downtown St. Louis Partnership, a nonprofit organization that focuses on improving downtown.



Residential development has focused on renovated historic buildings. But as the older buildings are depleted, developers will have to consider new construction in and around downtown to keep pace with the growth, the report said.



"We're already seeing a place in the downtown core where we're running out of small developments in buildings between 100,000 and 150,000 square feet," said Matt O'Leary, vice president for commercial development for Pyramid Construction Inc.



"You'll start to see developers go after the larger projects, like the Syndicate Trust Building, and looking farther afield," he said. "We're already seeing rehabs in the Locust Business District and others on the downtown fringe like Cupples Station."



In the past, developers have relied on historic tax credits to help finance extensive renovations. That won't be the case with new construction, however, so developers will have to consider other options for financing, the report said.



Recent developments also are trending toward a broader price range, aimed at residents with higher incomes who want more amenities.



The Denim Lofts, set to open in March 2006, is part of that trend. Developer John Carroll plans to offer 24 lofts for sale at 1308 Washington Avenue in what once was the Knickerbocker jeans factory.



The $5 million development will include 7,000 square feet of street-level retail; a major furniture retailer plans to move there in the next four months, Carroll said.



The lofts will be 1,200 square feet or 2,200 square feet. Units on the south side will have the larger footprints as well as balconies overlooking the city. Prices will range from $175,000 to $350,000.



National City Bank is financing the project; about $500,000 will come from Missouri historic tax credits.



Residents in properties developed since 2000 have higher incomes - 66 percent of them earn more than $50,000 a year and a quarter of them bring home more than $100,000, the partnership's report found.



Since 1999, developers have invested $500 million in residential development downtown. Nearly 10,000 residents call the area home; the bulk of the newcomers dates back only to 2000.



Before that, downtown residents numbered around 8,000, according to previous housing reports. Much of the market-rate housing consisted of apartments, such as Plaza Square, or single-family town houses, such as Columbus Square, just north of the financial district.



As the market appreciates, more apartments are expected to be converted into condominiums, a marked change.



Fifty-nine percent of the housing units expected to open this year will be owned, the study said. By contrast, only 10 percent of the total housing was owned through December 2004.



Housing that will be ready in 2006 is expected to be 54 percent owned and 46 percent rental.



"We're starting to see a greater balance in the year-by-year report for sale units of condos as opposed to apartments, and that reflects an increased stability in the market," Cloar said.



New construction also will address the needs of an older population that wants to live in the city but expects more amenities, Cloar said.



"Not everyone is a candidate for loft living, and that may mean assembling land or in-fill sites for a good, quality developer," he said. "There's a demand from a larger group of empty-nesters who prefer a more urban setting."



In a survey, downtown residents said panhandlers and the lack of "goods and services" are the downsides of city living.



The "urban experience," distance to work and proximity to cultural and sports ranked high among the positive aspects.



Moving in



About 10,000 residents call downtown St. Louis home. Here's the profile of a typical downtown dweller:



Single

Male (56% men, 44% women)

Twentysomething

Income of $25,000 to $50,000 a year

Doesn't work downtown, though a third walk to work

Pays $500 to $750 a month for rent or mortgage



Source: Downtown St. Louis Partnership



Reporter Tavia Evans

E-mail: tevans@post-dispatch.com

Phone: 314-340-8159

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PostJan 29, 2005#2

I hope they have something cheaper so I can move downtown within the next 5 years.

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PostJan 29, 2005#3

When judging Downtown St. Louis against other cities of the same size like Cleveland, Dallas and Baltimore, St. Louis is pretty much the same if not less expensive.

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PostJan 30, 2005#4

Jay T wrote:When judging Downtown St. Louis against other cities of the same size like Cleveland, Dallas and Baltimore, St. Louis is pretty much the same if not less expensive.


Maybe so...but I'm 19, and have about -$20,000 to my name (so far).

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"I hope they have something cheaper so I can move downtown within the next 5 years."



No kidding. I think downtown definitely needs more rentals and housing that people who aren't the demographic with the most disposable income (see original post in this thread) can afford.



It'll be interesting to see how things in downtown work out as more and more of these people age and start pairing up and having kids.



Oh, and:

"When judging Downtown St. Louis against other cities of the same size like Cleveland, Dallas and Baltimore, St. Louis is pretty much the same if not less expensive."



...while that's true, StL does have some of the cheapest real estate in the nation for a big city, it still has an affordable housing crisis.

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PostJan 30, 2005#6

Well, I also think downtown needs some more dense developments involving high income and mixed income.

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PostJan 31, 2005#7

I'm pleased with the type of development. It's about 50% rental/50% owner-occupied. You really want to keep the owner-occupied at 50% because those people have a greater interest investing in the neighborhood.

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PostFeb 08, 2005#8

Matt Drops The H wrote:I hope they have something cheaper so I can move downtown within the next 5 years.


Do you really think that Downtown is that expensive? You should have no trouble finding a place Downtown to rent under $700/mo or to buy for under $250k. IMO, thats very affordable for downtown living. You might not be in the trendiest part of downtown for those prices, but you can still be very near the action. Of course it costs more to live in the trendy parts of downtown, that only makes sense.



In fact, you could rent at Gentry Landing or Mansion House for under $500/mo. That includes a rooftop swimming pool!

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PostFeb 08, 2005#9

Here's a link to the downtown residency report. It's pretty interesting and it answer some of the questions we've been asking such as is this sustainable? Who is living downtown? Why is the Historic Tax Credit so important? Etc. I think it's amazing how much faster this trend is moving in the past year and next few years.





http://www.downtownstlouis.org/files/Fu ... rt2004.pdf

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PostFeb 09, 2005#10

You can find places to buy a lot cheaper than 250k. That's like 1500/mo. for a mortgage of that size...Printers lofts are like 180k, and the Annex lofts have some under 200...there are others, coming or present for under 200k elsewhere...

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PostFeb 09, 2005#11

I realize in the scope of todays real estate market prices downtown are pretty cheap but for a young person a mortgage of 180K is too much. Once you add on monthly condo fees it becomes even more unattainable. Several years ago I was on one of the Chicago Architectural Foundations walking tours of the loop. My guide was a retired school teacher who lived in a highrise downtown. She commented that part of Chicago's success in creating a 24/7 lifestyle was the availabilty of housing for all spectrums of income. Obviously her teachers retirement did not pay much, but she was still able to afford a small studio apartment. Since she lived downtown she did not have the expense of a car. I have always thought that for our downtown to really thrive the city should concentrate on more lower cost housing that would attract students and young professionals. I don't really think the subsidized housing in the Merchandise Mart and the the new HRI Cupples building qualifies. Those seem geared to more low income individuals than what I am talking about. I would love to see a stylish warehouse renovation done that was not so high end and filled with small one bedroom appartments that rented for under $650.00 a month. Many of the neighborhoods in St. Louis that have succesfully turned around were first viewed as attractive because of cheap real estate. Only after the first group of pioneers (mostly the artists and the bohemian types) had moved in would property values rise and the neighborhood would become gentrified. Downtown however has taken a different path, most of the housing has been built for those with higher incomes first. Maybe we can get Desco to partner with Webster U and build a mass of student housing near the post office district along with more affordable types of restaurants and shops. That would really go along way in bringing the sidewalks of our central city to life.

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PostFeb 09, 2005#12

southcitygent wrote:I would love to see a stylish warehouse renovation done that was not so high end and filled with small one bedroom appartments that rented for under $650.00 a month.


Although it isn't a stylish warehouse, the 126 apartments proposed for the <A HREF="http://www.urbanstl.com/viewtopic.php?t=377">former Days Inn building</A> are supposed to range in price from $500 to $700 a month. It isn't much, but it is a step in the right direction.



Also, the apartments in the <A HREF="http://www.apartmentguide.com/Property/ ... 21368">The New Jefferson Arms</A> start around $395, $595 and $895 per month.

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PostFeb 09, 2005#13

You're right, having housing options at both ends of the spectrum will go a long way towards helping downtown.



There have been some good options recently, though. There were units in the Printers Lofts Building that started at under $100k and affordable units in the Sporting News and Terra Cotta Buildings as well. The Days Inn and the HRI projects that you mentioned will help as well. If you have a roommate or significant other, handling the payments becomes a lot easier.

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PostMar 24, 2005#14

I was wondering, what do you all think would be the ideal amount of residential spaces downtown? Too few wouldn't help much, but would too many be too overpowering right now? I don't want downtown to have a boom and bust in a couple of years.



Thanks

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PostMar 24, 2005#15

Thats pretty negative thinking. How can you ever know what's exactly the right number of lofts/condos to build.



Developers only follow the market and right now the market needs more lofts because people are apparently buying. I for one can't wait to move in downtown.



In either case, those buildings would slowly die out or be razed down if nobody did anything. Atleast they are being brought back to life.

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PostMar 24, 2005#16

I don't think there is an ideal amount. There is no such thing as too many in this case.

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PostMar 24, 2005#17

In an interview with the Post(five minutes with...) Richard Baron said that when Downtown hit 10,000 units it would have acheived permanent success and vibrancy. But what does he know, right? :wink:

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PostMar 26, 2005#18

Although quoting an exact number wouldn't be feasible, I agree that there could be too much residential growth too quickly. The City will probably never have to worry about truley maxing out in population in our lifetimes, but if the residential sector grows too much faster than the commercial and business sectors there is more of an opening for problems to develop. To simply say that if buildings become aboadoned we can just tear them down is falling into the same lack of foresight that brought St. Louis down.



I live in O'Fallon right now (hopefully not much longer) and I can tell you that it is an example of this problem. All of St. Charles County swelled with new residential subdivisions for 15 years. In the last five the businesses have finally been coming in and it is a mess. The streets were not designed with enough forethought for the sickening amount of strip malls going up. Drive down Highway K, Mid Rivers Mall Drive, and Highway 94. You will see more strip malls than could ever be sustably leased. In 10 years there will be tons of abadoned strip malls. An eyesore if I ever say one.



St. Louis needs to take it one step at a time and not get ahead of itself.



PS: Although I respect and admire eveerything Richard Baron has done he is only one man. That is his educated opinion, nothing more.

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PostMar 27, 2005#19

I don't believe that DT is near maxing out. It may be ok to say that a population of 15-20k would be healthy considering the growth of the region and its size.



We need to remember that St. Louis isn't the only city that is seeing a boom of this magnatude. Some cities that don't have the potential of St. Louis have DT population of over 15k



IMO, they need to slow down on the loft construction and build some condo and 1 and 2 bedroom apartments to diversify the market.

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PostMar 28, 2005#20

Downtown St. Louis Residential Numbers to date.



I just received the Downtown St. Louis Organization email from Kevin Farrell, Senior Director of Housing and Economic Development



Here St. Louis' March 2005 current stats:



There are currently 5766 units opened in Downtown St. Louis.

There are currently 1056 units under construction

There are currently 878 in development

There are currently 1169 planned or proposed



TOTAL DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS> 8869 units.



Total Downtown Land Space for current units: 2.91 square miles



Farrell added: "A few of the planned or proposed may

not happen but there are others not yet included in the count that will certainly move ahead. There is a considerable amount of additional residential development that is happening immediately adjacent to downtown as well, especially to our south where hundreds of units have been built, are under construction or planned. These include projects such as the Hope VI project, the Georgian Lofts (former city hospital), Eden Lofts, M Lofts and many more."

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PostMar 28, 2005#21

Good news. If you figure an average of 2 people per unit, the 2.91 sq miles of downtown will have about 16000-18000, or more residents in about 2 years or so.

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PostMar 29, 2005#22

do you know how many, or what proportion are going to be rentable apartments perchance? It seems with the new metrolink stations opening up at Wash U and Clayton there could be a new group of people who could very easily reverse commute.

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PostJun 17, 2005#23

I know everyone on this forum is very positive over downtown. St. Louis should be pleased with all the developments in the past 5 years. The Downtown St. louis Housing Report shows that from 2000-2005 appx. 1,500 units were added.



The Downtown St. Louis Partnership also shows the downtown population to be 9,610 as of 2004, also a great number.



Here is my problem. The 2000 census shows the total downtown and downtown west population to be 3,000. Now, there is no way to get from 3000 to 9610 with only 1,500 new units. The obvious answer is that the Downtown St. Louis Partnership uses additional areas, such as Columbus Square or Carr Square when caulculating the 9000 people.



I have a problem with this because i think it miss represents the number of people living in what most people would think of as the downtown neighborhood, (The river to jefferson and Chouteau to Carr). My guess is that the number of people living 'downtown' would be aroud 5,000, which is a big improvement from 3000, but it is a far cry from 9000.

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PostJun 18, 2005#24

Don't know. I would believe the 9000 number, but is it maybe less? Maybe. Unless we actually go out and count all the people living in a specific spot, we won't know. So my answer- I don't know, but I prefer to use the 9000-10000 number.

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PostNov 03, 2005#25

Lofts aren't the only housing being built downtown

By Tavia Evans

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

11/02/2005





The market for housing in downtown St. Louis is becoming more diverse, offering high-end condominiums, townhouses and finished lofts along with traditional open loft spaces.



Pent-up demand is driving the market, said Jim Cloar, president of Downtown St. Louis Partnership, a nonprofit organization that focuses on improving downtown.



About 9,700 residents live downtown now, he said, and by 2008 that number is expected to bloom to almost 15,000. And they're not just young and single urban dwellers anymore.



Downtown developers are building varied products to meet demand - especially from a growing segment of empty nesters who want less house and upkeep and are interested in a more finished look.



That's part of the idea behind the loft corridor's newest entry, the Ely Walker Lofts at 1520 Washington Avenue. The 365,000-square-foot building is to have 173 lofts with carpeting in some rooms and more plastered and painted interior walls.



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