SMSPlanstu wrote:What do we call the architectural style of those buildings?
I have not seen many similar ones but they do look sorta like Arts & Crafts. Is this a St. Louis variation?
I am refering most to the detailing on 4118 DeTony which I have seen elsewhere in the City. Tile roofs & stone trim around windows and connected
Yes, all of the historic buildings are Arts and Crafts. Sort of a St. Louis vernacular take on the Craftsman style. They are gorgeous, with the tile roofs and glazed brick details. The ones they want to demolish are far superior to anything new they will build. What a waste.
^In my haste to see the new structures (expecting to see more vinyl sided crap, and instead seeing the pleasing designs and the fact that they are all brick) I neglected to recall that indeed some structures would be destroyed. Could they be structurally unsound? Even if that were so, why couldn't the city offer these for a nominal price for some individual or rehabing company to rehab? I've seen far worse rescued.
It's a little scary when they destroy (presumably) rehabable structures to put infill in, even if it is good infill. Overall, its not a good idea, and shame on the developer, as they are erasing some of St. Louis's original housing.
It's a little scary when they destroy (presumably) rehabable structures to put infill in, even if it is good infill. Overall, its not a good idea, and shame on the developer, as they are erasing some of St. Louis's original housing.
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They're tearing down two and saving the rest, which leads me to believe that the two that will be demolished are beyond saving. Although when I see rehab projects like the ones in Old North St. Louis, it makes me think it might be possible to save any building.
Marmar - I understand your comments about it is a shame to tear down old buildings but I think you may want to take a closer look or ask the builder why. I know this builder (actually, started as a rehabber) and live in a rehab they have done. Because of this and the fact that they have saved properties no one else would take on I have to believe there are good reasons for this. Believe me they do everything they can to save the city. They do wonderful work and it only gets better. They have several new project going on in BPW (one new build and 2 rehabs) that are just beautiful. Take a look at the web site and then do a drive by. You will be amazed.
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Suzy, thanks for the post...and now here I sit with egg on my face because when I initially looked at the link I didn't look to see who the developer was. So, shame on ME...!!! And, apologies to all concerned.
Millinium is a great company, one of my favorites in fact, and I love everything they've done and the stuff they've planned, including the new modern design condos, which I think will look fantastic.
It's interesting because the house on Salina that they're doing was posted in a photo thread here a while back, and I fell in love with that little place, dilapitated as it was, and even "rehabbed" it on my computer. So, I know this company is a great asset to the city to undertake rehabbing just this one little gem.
I can only add that Millinium is exactly the kind of developer/builder St. Louis needs. How I wish we had more like them.
Millinium is a great company, one of my favorites in fact, and I love everything they've done and the stuff they've planned, including the new modern design condos, which I think will look fantastic.
It's interesting because the house on Salina that they're doing was posted in a photo thread here a while back, and I fell in love with that little place, dilapitated as it was, and even "rehabbed" it on my computer. So, I know this company is a great asset to the city to undertake rehabbing just this one little gem.
I can only add that Millinium is exactly the kind of developer/builder St. Louis needs. How I wish we had more like them.
No worries Marmar. I just know how fast bad words travel rather than good ones. I did speak to them and was told the city had condemed the property before the project came out to bid on. Really a shame. You should take a look at the website for all the houses they have in line to rehab. I can't wait to see them as they come along. I am a true fan of their work.
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The Preservation Board determined in 2005 that two structures (4118 and 4126 DeTonty Ave.) were structurally unsound and that rehab was not feasible. The Board required as a condition of allowing their demo that the then-developer make substantial changes to the designs of its 15 proposed new buildings to make them compatible with the neighborhood. The then-developer chose not to make the revisions and withdrew from the project.
Enter Millennium and a great new design . . .
It is never a great day to lose a building, but the new Millennium buildings are pretty good. Six original buildings will remain on the block and join 17 new ones.
Enter Millennium and a great new design . . .
It is never a great day to lose a building, but the new Millennium buildings are pretty good. Six original buildings will remain on the block and join 17 new ones.
Suzy, I just went to their web page and took a real good look around. A great page with lots of info...great that they've shared their history and everything they've done, are doing and have planned in detail. This company is really dedicated to preserving our achitectural history, as their work clearly shows this, and even their infills are some of the most superior in design and craftmanship that I've seen. I can see why they've garnered some impressive awards. Can't say enough good about this company.
Thanks for the added info, publiceye. It seems it just wouldn't have been fiscally feasable to rehab them. Oh, sure, someone COULD have rescued them, I suppose, but it would likely have been rather a labor of great love, costing far more in money and time than would have been reasonably practicle for even a dedicated preservationist.
After going to the link and looking at the new homes once again, I must say I really like them. Maybe an ardent architect may have some issue in the architectural style, but I really like them and think they have a pleasing "St. Louis look" to them (love the dormers and windows).
Thanks for the added info, publiceye. It seems it just wouldn't have been fiscally feasable to rehab them. Oh, sure, someone COULD have rescued them, I suppose, but it would likely have been rather a labor of great love, costing far more in money and time than would have been reasonably practicle for even a dedicated preservationist.
After going to the link and looking at the new homes once again, I must say I really like them. Maybe an ardent architect may have some issue in the architectural style, but I really like them and think they have a pleasing "St. Louis look" to them (love the dormers and windows).
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That company looks pretty impressive. Their work reminds me of some Cincinnati infill, which is some of the best I've seen. What I'm most impressed about though is the detached garages. Finally, new construction that has a promising future.
Preservation board approves 17-home development in Shaw neighborhood
Jim Merkel
Of the Suburban Journals
South City Journal
07/07/2006
On the edge of Interstate 44 in the Shaw neighborhood, 17 new homes will be built in the style of the neighborhood's historic district.
The St. Louis Preservation Board last week approved plans by Millennium Restoration and Development to build the 17 single-family houses with detached garages in the Shaw Neighborhood Historic District. The approval of the DeTonty Place development is subject to the review of final construction documents and materials by the Cultural Resources Office staff.
The 17 homes would be built on a largely vacant 546-foot stretch of the 4100 block of Detonty Avenue, said Tim Vogt of Millennium Restoration. Two vacant residential buildings at 4118 DeTonty and 4126 Detonty will be demolished.
The houses will sell for $350,000 to $450,000 and will be 2,000 to 2,500 square feet on lots of 32- by-135 feet.
"It's a great opportunity for a continuing row of new construction and it gives us an opportunity to re-establish a block," Vogt said. "They're really nice historic infills."
Originally, McBride and Son proposed to build 15 single-family houses using designs from its Botanical Heights development in the McRee Town neighborhood to the north.
At a meeting last September, the Preservation Board required that revisions be made to the design of McBride's proposed buildings to make them compatible with the historic buildings in the neighborhood. Subsequently, McBride chose not to make the required revisions and withdrew from the project.
At last week's Preservation Board meeting, Jan Cameron, preservation administrator for the Cultural Resources Office, said the design of the 17 houses replicated the original rhythm of the block.
There will be six different building types mixed in, with four two-story options and two three-story options, Vogt said.
"We picked the placement of the buildings in order to keep the best rhythm of the block," Vogt said. "All the details on these buildings come from existing buildings in the neighborhood."
Michael R. Killeen, architect for the project, said the homes will combine a historic look on the outside with a modern look inside.
Giving his endorsement at last week's meeting of the Preservation Board was John Williams, executive director of the St. Margaret Housing Corp., an organization formed to promote quality housing in the Shaw Neighborhood.
"We are very excited about this project," Williams said. "We are anxious to get this project underway."
Alderman Joseph Roddy, D-17th Ward, who represents the area of the development, sent a letter in favor of it.
Millennium has restored numerous homes on the South Side. Besides DeTonty Place, it is planning the Fleur-de-Lis development at South Jefferson Avenue and Arsenal Street, a development of 33 condominiums and commercial properties, and the VAL Place, a 20-townhouse development facing Virginia Avenue and Alabama Avenue near Delor Street.
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Jim Merkel
Of the Suburban Journals
South City Journal
07/07/2006
On the edge of Interstate 44 in the Shaw neighborhood, 17 new homes will be built in the style of the neighborhood's historic district.
The St. Louis Preservation Board last week approved plans by Millennium Restoration and Development to build the 17 single-family houses with detached garages in the Shaw Neighborhood Historic District. The approval of the DeTonty Place development is subject to the review of final construction documents and materials by the Cultural Resources Office staff.
The 17 homes would be built on a largely vacant 546-foot stretch of the 4100 block of Detonty Avenue, said Tim Vogt of Millennium Restoration. Two vacant residential buildings at 4118 DeTonty and 4126 Detonty will be demolished.
The houses will sell for $350,000 to $450,000 and will be 2,000 to 2,500 square feet on lots of 32- by-135 feet.
"It's a great opportunity for a continuing row of new construction and it gives us an opportunity to re-establish a block," Vogt said. "They're really nice historic infills."
Originally, McBride and Son proposed to build 15 single-family houses using designs from its Botanical Heights development in the McRee Town neighborhood to the north.
At a meeting last September, the Preservation Board required that revisions be made to the design of McBride's proposed buildings to make them compatible with the historic buildings in the neighborhood. Subsequently, McBride chose not to make the required revisions and withdrew from the project.
At last week's Preservation Board meeting, Jan Cameron, preservation administrator for the Cultural Resources Office, said the design of the 17 houses replicated the original rhythm of the block.
There will be six different building types mixed in, with four two-story options and two three-story options, Vogt said.
"We picked the placement of the buildings in order to keep the best rhythm of the block," Vogt said. "All the details on these buildings come from existing buildings in the neighborhood."
Michael R. Killeen, architect for the project, said the homes will combine a historic look on the outside with a modern look inside.
Giving his endorsement at last week's meeting of the Preservation Board was John Williams, executive director of the St. Margaret Housing Corp., an organization formed to promote quality housing in the Shaw Neighborhood.
"We are very excited about this project," Williams said. "We are anxious to get this project underway."
Alderman Joseph Roddy, D-17th Ward, who represents the area of the development, sent a letter in favor of it.
Millennium has restored numerous homes on the South Side. Besides DeTonty Place, it is planning the Fleur-de-Lis development at South Jefferson Avenue and Arsenal Street, a development of 33 condominiums and commercial properties, and the VAL Place, a 20-townhouse development facing Virginia Avenue and Alabama Avenue near Delor Street.
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I noticed that a few of the existing homes sustained a bit of damage from the storm - one of them is missing a big chunk of its roof.
Two homes on Detonty have a demolition crew out front - I can't tell if they're just performing interior demolition in anticipation of rehab, or if the buildings are being torn down.
I don't know if this project is dead or what, but here are some better renderings:
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I hope they plan to keep/plant trees. I still fall in to the anti-faux-historic camp, but if anyone's going to do it right, it's Vogt and Co.
Wow! Those look great; like they've always been there. I wonder if the all-brick sides are for real, or just a tease. I've seen other new infill where the developer offers all-brick as an option, but at something like $30,000 extra, few people are gonna go for it.
I'd also like to see them use some kind of faux tile or slate roofing. Somehow, flat shingles just kill the historic effect.
I'd also like to see them use some kind of faux tile or slate roofing. Somehow, flat shingles just kill the historic effect.
The original plans had brick sides as standard features. I assume nothing has changed
Matt Drops The H wrote:I hope they plan to keep/plant trees. I still fall in to the anti-faux-historic camp, but if anyone's going to do it right, it's Vogt and Co.
This doesn't look faux to me. This could pass for a street in Cabanne. I've always thought of cheesy stuff like the Boulevard as faux-historic, not the stuff that has actually replicated the historic look.
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Matt Drops The H wrote:I hope they plan to keep/plant trees. I still fall in to the anti-faux-historic camp, but if anyone's going to do it right, it's Vogt and Co.
I think trees will be part of the plan. These renderings do not accurately depict the sidewalk/treelawn - which currently has trees.