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Post2:00 AM - Jun 09#51

This is how Plano is going to pay for the new Dallas Stars arena.


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Post2:58 AM - Jun 09#52

Jesus.

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Post4:42 AM - Jun 09#53

Does St. Louis have that last bullet point?

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Post1:07 PM - Jun 09#54

So Plano will charge each visiting NHL team $100,000 per game? And do the same for the Stars? So $8,200,000 a year in fees from NHL teams? Half from the Stars and other half from rest of the league

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Post3:10 PM - Jun 09#55

dbInSouthCity wrote:
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So Plano will charge each visiting NHL team $100,000 per game? And do the same for the Stars? So $8,200,000 a year in fees from NHL teams? Half from the Stars and other half from rest of the league
It will certainly kill the free agent/trade market for the Stars.

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Post3:22 PM - Jun 09#56

Truly don't understand the "appeal" in moving to either Houston or Dallas. The growth in both metros is absolutely confusing to me. 

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Post4:04 PM - Jun 09#57

I think a lot of it is Lemming Syndrome. People see thousands of people flocking to one area, and they simply join the march, assuming there must be a reason for it.

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Post5:06 PM - Jun 09#58

framer wrote:
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I think a lot of it is Lemming Syndrome. People see thousands of people flocking to one area, and they simply join the march, assuming there must be a reason for it.
Yes, growth is contagious. Cities like Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Phoenix etc. are growing because they a new which brings a lot of construction and service jobs.

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Post7:39 PM - Jun 09#59

Years ago I drove from Dallas to Houston, which was flat and boring, but I notice more the grass was burnt, brown.  It was summer and over 100 degrees.  I know part is the market, but you can't complain about heat and humidity here and move there.  Less winter, but in Dallas it can still occur and cripple the city.  

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Post7:33 PM - Jun 30#60

13. "Dallas, Texas. The city feels like a collection of sports teams with a bunch of highways connecting them."
https://www.aol.com/articles/people-naming-american-cities-theyll-111602000.html

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Post12:49 AM - Jul 03#61

Much of the growth in Dallas, Houston, Denver, etc in the last 50 years is Hispanic migration from Mexico. Per Gemini for these MSAs:




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Post4:56 AM - Jul 03#62

gary kreie wrote:
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Much of the growth in Dallas, Houston, Denver, etc in the last 50 years is Hispanic migration from Mexico. Per Gemini for these MSAs:




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That lack of immigration to St. Louis for the last 60 years is definitely reflected in our current demographic malaise. If St. Louis has captured the 80s and 90s Latin growth the region would definitely be much healthier today. Add on the fact that the St. Louis region is now bleeding a lot of it's middle class Black population to cities in the South (huge missed opportunity). It's basically stuck with an aging, less diverse, more conservative population that's hostile to change, progress, or growth.

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Post1:17 PM - Jul 03#63

goat314 wrote:
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gary kreie wrote:
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Much of the growth in Dallas, Houston, Denver, etc in the last 50 years is Hispanic migration from Mexico. Per Gemini for these MSAs:




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That lack of immigration to St. Louis for the last 60 years is definitely reflected in our current demographic malaise. If St. Louis has captured the 80s and 90s Latin growth the region would definitely be much healthier today. Add on the fact that the St. Louis region is now bleeding a lot of it's middle class Black population to cities in the South (huge missed opportunity). It's basically stuck with an aging, less diverse, more conservative population that's hostile to change, progress, or growth.
I just wonder what could of lure them here in the first place St.Louis from my understanding St Louis in 80s and 90s was not full of jobs. I felt of large numbers did arrive in those decades there might of been some unrest in the region.

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Post6:25 AM - Jul 06#64

StlAlex wrote:Actually I think Dallas generally has a much worse outlook on its urban core and especially downtown than STL. I've been unhealthily browsing their Reddit recently and it is extremely toxic. There was a post yesterday filled with cope about how Dallas is actually better than SEATTLE of all cities.

You can find way more downtown defenders in STL, and way more people who generally see the value of public transit and having a healthy downtown than you seem to be able to in Dallas, from my very limited perspective through Reddit.

Edit: I also didn't realize that AA Center already has a large mixed use development featuring thousands of apartments, a hotel, retail, etc. Pretty crazy that they're both leaving with plans to build what they already have downtown and transit accessible.

In the last 1-2 weeks, downtowm Dallas has lost 2 sports teams, a Fortune 500 headquarters, and a major bank office. Pretty devastating week, even for a city with growth like Dallas does.

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AACenter’s district was build by a previous owner before Mark Cuban and not sold along with the team. So it’s a preference to own the team, arena, AND district.

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