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PostFeb 09, 2013#1

Video on Fox2News about the former towers removed from City Hall in 1936, followed by an interview with Maggie Campbell of the Partnership for Downtown St. Louis. She does a good job of highlighting recent projects and the general resurgence of downtown as a neighborhood.

http://fox2now.com/2013/02/08/city-hall ... velopment/


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PostFeb 10, 2013#2

^ i want so badly for those to be rebuilt. city hall just looks like it's missing a few teeth. and the discoloration of the stone looks awful, IMHO.

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PostFeb 11, 2013#3

Would love to see them added back on if craftsmen today could recreate the same level of detail. And while we are at it (wish...) add back that gorgeous cupola over the old post office building too (apparently damaged by a storm).

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PostFeb 12, 2013#4

Might as well add the tower that once stood over the Municipal Courts building as well!

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PostFeb 12, 2013#5

There never was a tower over the Municipal Courts Building. Architect Isaac Taylor designed a tower for the building, but it did not get built.

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PostFeb 13, 2013#6



Another intricate turret/cupola mysteriously lost. The tower of this CWE church ( soon to be a brewery ) is now topped by a much simpler design. Anyone know how/why? Ofcourse the original turret design matched the church a lot better than what is there now.

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PostFeb 13, 2013#7

Maybe the 1959 Tornado?

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PostFeb 13, 2013#8

^The only reference I could find is that it was removed due to structural weakness. Originally 240 feet tall, that tower had a platform at top where 100 people could gather. I walked most of the way up there once, but the stairs toward the top were wooden and unstable, cantilevered out from the walls. Creepiest space I've ever walked through.

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PostMar 06, 2013#9

There's been a lot of development downtown lately, and lots of these old government buildings have been getting renovated over the past few years (OPO, Central Library, Old Court House, and soon the Municipal Courts), so perhaps this one could be next.

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PostMay 29, 2013#10

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... e101f.html
“We’re trying to work through those things, but we have very little money for renovations and it’s not a civic priority,” said Lewis Reed, the president of the Board of Aldermen. “But we do hear complaints about the building from some people. Particularly artists are concerned about preserving a lot of the artwork in the building.”
“There isn’t money for any renovation or improvements” to City Hall, Bradley said.

Bradley said workers are just aimed at fixing the bare necessities, like rigging air conditioners to last 30 years, when their normal life cycle is 10.
... in St. Louis, “there isn’t a real public awareness of City Hall,” said Michael Allen...

“People drive by and they think it’s dirty,” said Mack Bradley, a spokesman for Mardi Gras Inc., which puts on the city’s annual Mardi Gras celebration. “There was a time when people cared about City Hall. It said something about them. But go out to St. Louis County and you’ll see people aren’t willing to spend a lot of money on city halls.”

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PostMay 29, 2013#11

Another sales tax increase? We have Rams tax likely and still possible push for 1% sales tax for highways.

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PostMay 29, 2013#12

As far as the Rams, I don't see an across-the-board sales tax increase. Probably an airport/hotels/car rentals/tourism type tax or tax district increase, like what they are doing in Minnesota and I think Atlanta. And maybe tax dollars directed toward infrastructure improvements, like the public money that was used to help build Busch Stadium. So yeah maybe for City Hall instead.

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PostMay 29, 2013#13

Some of the comments by city officials are unbelievable.

City Hall is a museum. Other cities would die to have a historic edifice such as St. Louis City Hall as their own city hall. Renovating City Hall should be a civic priority. As Michael Allen suggested, it is a place where the mayor is inaugurated. I would also add that this is where some of the most pressing city decisions are made by aldermen and alderwomen. They deserve a clean, healthy and comfortable - not luxurious - place to work.

City Hall represents the city and its inhabitants and St. Louis City residents (and visitors) deserve to have a City Hall that's beautifully-restored and functional. Why not?

If $50-million is too steep, $25-million could go a long way. It is a small price to pay to upgrade what should be one of the nation's most beautiful City Halls.

There are all kinds fundraisers the city could exploit such as City Hall fun runs, bike races, concert benefits, etc. that could help raise money towards City Hall's renovation goals.

My nod goes to Philly's City Hall. Up close and from a distance, it is one of the most majestic, better-looking big city City Hall buildings. It is a stunner - both day and night. Despite the shape St. Louis' is in, it is still a stunner to me, but it deserves better.


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PostMay 29, 2013#14

So historic tax credits cannot be used here? ;)

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PostMay 29, 2013#15

City Hall is a museum.
I agree. I did a double take when I was reading through city official's comments. From the architecture to the paintings on the wall to the business that takes place at City Hall, I look at this place as a living museum and it deserves much better.

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PostMay 29, 2013#16

This is a little broader than the OT, but does anyone know when/why the STL culture shifted from one of building highly architectural and permanent structures, like City Hall etc - investment grade architecture if you will - to being so public investment averse as it is now? What created this local mentality of letting things rot versus continuous investment and continuous improvement...I haven't come across this topic in my own reading yet.

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PostMay 29, 2013#17

olvidarte wrote:
City Hall is a museum.
I agree. I did a double take when I was reading through city official's comments. From the architecture to the paintings on the wall to the business that takes place at City Hall, I look at this place as a living museum and it deserves much better.
Perhaps, but in this day and age of austerity it doesn't seem politically savvy to bring extravagance back to City Hall. Talk of public-private partnership in City Hall, however, makes one wary of corruption and outside influence. People like Rex Sinquefeld have enough power, eh.

I say leave it as it generally is. The building's scars seem well representative of the city.

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PostMay 29, 2013#18

Perhaps, but in this day and age of austerity it doesn't seem politically savvy to bring extravagance back to City Hall.
It's already extravagant. I think we should maintain and preserve what we have, which doesn't seem to be happening.

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PostMay 29, 2013#19

^ It seems so. Just address the bare necessities / anything that will cause further deterioration and call it a day. A/C and repairing water damage might be nice.

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PostMay 29, 2013#20

onecity wrote:This is a little broader than the OT, but does anyone know when/why the STL culture shifted from one of building highly architectural and permanent structures, like City Hall etc - investment grade architecture if you will - to being so public investment averse as it is now? What created this local mentality of letting things rot versus continuous investment and continuous improvement...I haven't come across this topic in my own reading yet.
I would imagine it happened gradually over time, matching up with whenever people started moving away from the city.

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PostMay 29, 2013#21

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onecity wrote:This is a little broader than the OT, but does anyone know when/why the STL culture shifted from one of building highly architectural and permanent structures, like City Hall etc - investment grade architecture if you will - to being so public investment averse as it is now? What created this local mentality of letting things rot versus continuous investment and continuous improvement...I haven't come across this topic in my own reading yet.
I would imagine it happened gradually over time, matching up with whenever people started moving away from the city.
I don't think that it is a local mentality. It is a shift in our society and government. The government provides more services than they did ever before. I think that makes it more difficult to build grand projects. I also suspect that there has been a shift towards the federal government for funding of these bigger projects.


I do hope that they find some money to restore the building. Maybe they can partner up with local museums to do fundraisers. It is a beautiful building.

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PostMay 29, 2013#22

About 10 years ago it was reported that Kelly Trivers, wife of architect Andy Trivers was to start a fundraising campaign to renovated the exterior of City Hall. Never heard anything about it again.

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PostMay 31, 2013#23

perhaps they could eliminate 50% of the workforce at City Hall and apply that money towards repairing the building. I've raised this before, and I know we have a LOT more infrastructure etc, but doesn't St. Charles County have the same number of people as St. Louis City, actually more? How many people work in their city hall? Is this essentially a jobs program? I also wonder about SLDC.. 50,000 SF for that department? really?

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PostJun 10, 2013#24

Alderman Cohn has a plan:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... 70f9c.html
Ward 25 Alderman Shane Cohn introduced a bill on Friday that would create a "City Hall Restoration Fund."

The fund would house "money in excess of the amount due on any water bill, personal property or real estate tax bill in the City of St. Louis which is designated by any person, firm or corporation for the 'The City Hall Restoration Fund' program."
This is the first municipal effort to address the building's decay in many years. Previous private efforts have failed.

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PostJun 10, 2013#25

Anyone know more info on the previous private efforts?

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