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PostJun 22, 2013#401

I went to a lunch meeting of the St Louis County Pachyderms yesterday. They are a group of politically active Republicans that don't endorse primary candidates or positions, but meet to talk about issues with a guest speaker at the lunches. There was about 25 people there including two state reps.

The speaker yesterday was David Stokes who is Republican committeeman for Clayton Township. He also works for the Show-Me Institute and made it clear he was not there in that capacity. The subject was reentry.

He made sure to state how reentry is different from merger, which is a must for anyone talking about this subject.
He touched on most of the benefits we've talked about here. He said it'd be illegal for the county to bail-out the city's pension systems or debt obligations so no need to worry about that.

His main benefit being that since the city would be paying county property taxes and since it would remain incorporated the county's property tax levy would likely go down. Here's his write-up on that:

http://showmeinstitute.org/publications ... eturn.html

He said of course it would be bad politically for Republicans since the bigger county would be more Democratic, but that what's best for the community should out-rank what's best for a party.

He also expressed disappointment that the Republican Central Committee had passed a resolution opposing all of this. He felt it was premature and that the Republicans should engage in the issue. There's plenty of time to declare opposition later, why now? He would have been the lone dissenting vote had he been in town for the vote.

In the Q&A worries were expressed about how a more Democratically strong county might put its thumb down on areas not supportive of the Dems. One man from South County was very concerned having gone through the trash contract stuff a few years ago and now the low-income senior housing project on Telegraph. David encouraged them to incorporate in order to have zoning control. The man said they were looking into forming there own county. He was certainly the one most against, at least of those vocal about it.

No one brought up race or crime.

The chap across the table from me said he was on-board for sure. I think most at the very least agreed with David that it would be best for Republicans to be a part of the conversation.

All in all a good lunch and conversation. It was definitely worth the trip to Frontenac. They plan on having an opposed speaker on July 12.

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PostJun 22, 2013#402

quincunx wrote:He said of course it would be bad politically for Republicans since the bigger county would be more Democratic, but that what's best for the community should out-rank what's best for a party.
Saving the world by giving up power... That's a far more cruciform vision than I expect from the Missouri GOP. The theologian in me wants to affirm that model of leadership.

I hope it catches on. I could vote for that sort of leader from any party. :wink:

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PostJun 22, 2013#403

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PostJun 23, 2013#404

quincunx wrote:One man from South County was very concerned having gone through the trash contract stuff a few years ago and now the low-income senior housing project on Telegraph. David encouraged them to incorporate in order to have zoning control. The man said they were looking into forming there own county. He was certainly the one most against, at least of those vocal about it.
Forming their own county, or incorporating into a city? Not that that the county needs any more municipalities either...

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PostJun 23, 2013#405

^ Have to wonder if those most angry are generally the least informed.

I was kinda at a loss with the whole county trash thing for unincorporated St. Louis but at the same time it didn't matter living within Shrewsbury limits. On one hand, I can understand why people didn't want to have trash service forced upon them growing up a in very rural area. On the other hand, a lot of unincorporated areas are essentially towns themselves. Who wants to live next to the guy who is too cheap or to lazy to get rid of his garage

What I'm curious about, when will the campaigns/informational out reach begin? Who will support it? It was pretty impressive to see how a lot of institutions and players got things together for Prop A. I wonder who will behind a re-entry campaign other then the politicians who working it now?

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PostJun 24, 2013#406

More details on GOP opposition. Clearly there's a lot of work to do separating out what merger means and what reentry means.

STL Beacon - On the Trail: STL County GOP makes opposition to city-county union loud and clear

https://www.stlbeacon.org/#!/content/31 ... opposition

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PostJun 24, 2013#407

^ Agree, to me it is really coming down to some of the major civic groups and business organizations to make their position known and start putting out the correct information. Until then, whoever has the loudest mouthpiece is going to get there bit in the local news.

Also, Slay and Dooley need to do their part and squash the word merger every chance they get. Words matter

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PostJun 24, 2013#408

This is why I support having non-partisan offices in local races. Of course I know that will never happen, but one can dream.

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PostJun 25, 2013#409

“Do we all love St Louis city and we feel a kinship? Of course. It’s our hometown,” said Jennifer Bird, a state committeewoman and member of the St. Louis County Republican Central Committee. “However, St. Louis city … basically said ‘Uh ho – we don’t want the county to suck dry our resources. Stay away.’ Well now the roles are reversed.”
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

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PostJun 25, 2013#410

Wow, she's mad about something that happened close to 140 years ago.

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PostJun 25, 2013#411

^ In her defense, many in her party are mad about something that happened close to 150 years ago as well. Seems to be a trend.

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PostJun 25, 2013#412

Alex Ihnen wrote:Wow, she's mad about something that happened close to 140 years ago.
Way to show those narrow-minded dead guys, Jennifer!

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PostJun 25, 2013#413

Alex Ihnen wrote:Wow, she's mad about something that happened close to 140 years ago.
Every time I think the Republicans could have an opening with the urbanist vote they go and pull something like this.

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PostJun 25, 2013#414

When someone says something like "Well, this is the way the city wanted it!" point out that the vote 136 years ago had about 26,000 votes cast and on the initial county failed. Voter fraud was suspected and a judge threw out ballots and with the new total said it passed. Also no women got to vote on the matter. I think these circumstances seem odd to most everyone today. Yet given them and the results of it since we're should be stuck with it for eternity.

We need to talk about what's better for us now and for the future.

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PostJun 25, 2013#415

southsidepride wrote:
Alex Ihnen wrote:Wow, she's mad about something that happened close to 140 years ago.
Every time I think the Republicans could have an opening with the urbanist vote they go and pull something like this.
Not to mention, the vote back then was likely a fraud.

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PostJul 10, 2013#416

The plot thickens as Uplands Park continues its death spiral:

Uplands Park to lose police protection at midnight - STL P-D
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... f9795.html

Best quote from the article comes from County Police Chief Fitch:
“The citizens of Uplands Park need to know their elected officials have decided to violate state law by not having a police department or having a contract with anybody,” Fitch said. “Basically, that’s going to be an area that’s unpoliced.”
Fitch said he thinks Uplands Park residents should consider dissolving its government.
When the county police chief openly says a town should dissolve, you've got a problem. Fitch also says the county will respond to serious crimes and emergencies but won't patrol and won't enforce ordinances.

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PostJul 10, 2013#417

Another month, another municipality I've never heard of that needs to disincorporate.

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PostJul 10, 2013#418

rawest1 wrote:Another month, another municipality I've never heard of that needs to disincorporate.
For my tow cents worth, don't think the pace is quick enough. I think it would the region to grow immensely if St Louis County could go from 90 munis to at least 45 and add one big muni at the same time.

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PostJul 10, 2013#419

Combining the 24 munis in the Normandy school district would be a good start. I hope the 24:1 effort leads to that discussion. I hear some strife in the schools springs simply from kids identifying/dividing themselves by which tiny muni they live in.

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PostJul 10, 2013#420

^ Maybe call the new jurisdiction New Normandy. Overland could absorb the smaller communities heading north to the airport like Brekenridge Hills, Woodson Terrace and Edmunson.

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PostJul 11, 2013#421

Need an external way to force a popular vote on the issue. Leaving it up to town councils and mayors, will always result in bankruptcy before they act to eliminate their own job for the betterment of the community at large.

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PostJul 11, 2013#422

HB 1891 which was formulated by the St Louis County Municipal League and sponsored by John Diehl would create an accountability system for munis akin to the one for school districts. Citizens can petition if they feel at least 3 of 12 minimum standards aren't being met to start a process of oversight which could lead to merger with a neighbor or disincorporation if the muni doesn't shape up.

http://www.house.mo.gov/billsummary.asp ... =HB%201891

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PostJul 11, 2013#423

STLEnginerd wrote:Need an external way to force a popular vote on the issue. Leaving it up to town councils and mayors, will always result in bankruptcy before they act to eliminate their own job for the betterment of the community at large.
Well not always. I think it was Cool Valley where the mayor ran on a campaign to dissolve.

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PostJul 11, 2013#424

Tonight's KSDK 10 o'clock news led with a segment about Wellston (no link yet on their site). It looked like a total meltdown there with guards threatening reporters, city hall locked and people pushed out, court being shut down, etc. Followed by a story about Uplands Park shenanigans. Maybe this will push folks to support some changes.

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PostJul 11, 2013#425

Saw those too. Loved th man on the street saying the little munis need to go away.

Here's a story on Wellston from the 6pm newscast. Chaos

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/387710 ... d-bullets-

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