About a month ago, the City issued an RFP for the block-sized parking lot at the northwest corner of 10th and Lucas in Downtown. 

This RFP was issued over a year ago and a proposal by Seneca won (was 14-stories) but was eventually canceled. The city re-issued the RFP on October 25th. Perhaps the most ridiculous part of this RFP is that the city wants 1200 parking spaces (to make up for the now demoed parking garage, parking lot to the east of this site where a pocket park will go, and then replacement parking for this block). The city also wanted a mixed-use tower of some sort.

I decided to make this thread as I think a winning, and doable proposal, will be chosen this time around. Has anyone heard anything on if a developer (or developers) have submitted anything? I've heard rumors but haven't been able to confirm them.

FYI: viewtopic.php?p=350002#p350002

This lot intrigues me even more now knowing that is owned by the LCRA.  When the proposal came out for expanding the convention center and they showed the drawing for the T shaped exhibit hall addition, it just struck me as odd that there wasn't some way to obtain the Holiday Inn lot to add it to the plan.  This way you'd have a much larger open and contiguous floor space to hold larger conventions that can't be broken up and therefore choose larger centers elsewhere.  Building around this squat suburban style hotel would seem like such a missed opportunity.  As bad as them having to build around that atrocious garage on the east side of the center.  This vacant lot would have been the perfect compromise / trade-off to obtain the Holiday Inn lot if the city could get a developer to build them a new hotel.  That would be a win-win for everyone.  

FrankRider wrote: ↑

Nov 23, 2021

This lot intrigues me even more now knowing that is owned by the LCRA.  When the proposal came out for expanding the convention center and they showed the drawing for the T shaped exhibit hall addition, it just struck me as odd that there wasn't some way to obtain the Holiday Inn lot to add it to the plan.  This way you'd have a much larger open and contiguous floor space to hold larger conventions that can't be broken up and therefore choose larger centers elsewhere.  Building around this squat suburban style hotel would seem like such a missed opportunity.  As bad as them having to build around that atrocious garage on the east side of the center.  This vacant lot would have been the perfect compromise / trade-off to obtain the Holiday Inn lot if the city could get a developer to build them a new hotel.  That would be a win-win for everyone.  

If I were the city, I would want to try and pursue that path, but it seems highly unlikely this will be pursued. 

I also wonder about the ridiculous parking lot requirement. They want 1200 spaces. The garage would have to be like 10 floors (or more) to get them all to fit. Seems like a losing situation for both the city and a developer since there's not a parking problem nearby. Plus, I've heard a rumor another large garage will be proposed and built nearby soon (we'll see about that one). 

chriss752 wrote: ↑

Jan 05, 2022

RFP closed a little while ago. I've been told there were two respondents. 

Interested in who the two respondents are, and what their proposals are. 

RayfromSTL wrote: ↑

Jan 06, 2022

chriss752 wrote: ↑

Jan 05, 2022

RFP closed a little while ago. I've been told there were two respondents. 

Interested in who the two respondents are, and what their proposals are. 

I know who they are and what the proposed include, but can't say.

^ Let's me guess, a 1,200+ space parking garage covering the majority of the site, to be owned by LCRA, with a modest "tower" on the east side of the property containing some combination of office, residential, or hotel space. I'm glad these lots are being developed, but there doesn't exactly seem to be a lot of flexibility given the required parameters.

Tim wrote: ↑

Jan 06, 2022

^ Let's me guess, a 1,200+ space parking garage covering the majority of the site, to be owned by LCRA, with a modest "tower" on the east side of the property containing some combination of office, residential, or hotel space. I'm glad these lots are being developed, but there doesn't exactly seem to be a lot of flexibility given the required parameters.

If Downtown just had enough parking it could really thrive!

The second paragraph of the rfp website is so brutal, including proposing.... another governmental parking authority! Why should the Treasurer's Office have all the fun?

LCRA is seeking development proposals consisting of two distinct components.  The first includes a parking structure that could be owned by a to-be-established LCRA parking trust. At a minimum, this structure would provide parking inventory to accommodate those spaces are being eliminated upon the expansion of the America’s Center on city blocks 259 (739 spaces) and 174 (217 spaces) and another 221 spaces that will be eliminated by the construction of this project.

And the first paragraph of the rfp itself:

The availability of an adequate number of conveniently located parking spaces is a common theme in conversations with prospective developers and businesses contemplating expansion in the Downtown and Downtown West neighborhoods.

Who is responsible for drafting the RFP?

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

Jan 06, 2022

Who is responsible for drafting the RFP?

I believe the LCRA wrote the RFP.

chriss752 wrote: ↑

Jan 17, 2022

chriss752 wrote: ↑

Jan 05, 2022

RFP closed a little while ago. I've been told there were two respondents. 

Rumor is that the Treasurer's office might have this one. Soon we'll be saying "hello" to a new Downtown, pre-cast mega garage brought to you by the City of St. Louis taxpayers. A $50 Million investment to make Downtown a more vibrant place!

The City needs to be shamed if this rumor is true. They should be shamed anyways for wanting so much parking, but they really need to be shamed if this goes through. 

Will be interested to see to what extent the Treasurer's Office fulfills this key element of the RFP: "The second component of the development would be conceived and built in tandem to the first and consist of a mixed-use tower."

wabash wrote: ↑

Jan 17, 2022

chriss752 wrote: ↑

Jan 17, 2022

chriss752 wrote: ↑

Jan 05, 2022

RFP closed a little while ago. I've been told there were two respondents. 

Rumor is that the Treasurer's office might have this one. Soon we'll be saying "hello" to a new Downtown, pre-cast mega garage brought to you by the City of St. Louis taxpayers. A $50 Million investment to make Downtown a more vibrant place!

The City needs to be shamed if this rumor is true. They should be shamed anyways for wanting so much parking, but they really need to be shamed if this goes through. 

Will be interested to see to what extent the Treasurer's Office fulfills this key element of the RFP: "The second component of the development would be conceived and built in tandem to the first and consist of a mixed-use tower."

they would have to bring on a 3rd party

This is disappointing.

pattimagee wrote: ↑

Jan 18, 2022

The RFP was for a parking garage though, so this is a wash right? ...and I guess I'd rather have a public owned parking garage making that revenue than subsidizing a privately owned parking garage. (this isn't my forte, so I'm happy to be schooled otherwise) 

Would be nice if it was coupled with some legislation to make it harder to hold on to empty parking lots in the city... 

The RFP was for a parking garage and mixed-use "tower."

Another exciting DT development! /s

StlToday - Treasurer’s office picked to build new garage near downtown St. Louis convention center

ST. LOUIS — The city treasurer’s office has been selected to put up a new 10-floor parking garage near America’s Center downtown.

The facility would include space for ground-level retail and a restaurant on the top story, City Treasurer Adam Layne told the city Parking Commission on Thursday.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... b3951.html

Figures. Wish the proposal I knew about won but of course…

Sounds like this is as good a time as ever to dump some renderings in the "unbuilt St. Louis" thread 

I was expecting this.

Overall, this is pretty disappointing, but the top-floor restaurant sounds mildly intriguing. 

Photos from article

Pretty gross

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“Rob Orr, deputy executive director at SDLC, said in an email that his agency had also seen proposals for both a garage and a separate mixed-use tower.”

Oh