No download from the city yet, but H3 has put together a plan for the Jefferson and Cherokee future Metro stop - which should be built.... oh about 2040

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 459&type=1

I saw that awhile back at a meeting on Cherokee. The entire TOD book is available if you contact the author.

A streetcar could be here much sooner than that...

That's awesome. Wish it had much chance at happening.

There is front page feature on Cherokee's comeback in today's business journal.

roger wyoming II wrote:^ The cover story is now online w/o subscription:
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/prin ... l?page=all

Also, Dollar General wants to redevelop the vacant Hood's store on Jefferson just south of Cherokee... I believe there is local opposition to that.

Will it be built like the Family Dollar at the top of this page? http://www.urbanreviewstl.com/2013/06/m ... provement/

^ Not sure.... actually it might be a Family Dollar and not Dollar General. Not sure if it was a tear-down or rehab but I think I heard the proposed investment was $2 million.

^Holy crapolla, Batman!!!

One more dollar store on Jefferson and it will become the Midwests Premier Shopping Destination...... for people who love dollar stores!!!!

No more please.

Looks like a barrel of foamy cat gonorrhea. I think the North Sarah development has pretty much set the bar for what most new mixed-use infill should be in the City:

Gateway City wrote:Looks like a barrel of foamy cat gonorrhea...

Well, that's certainly a new one.

Ebsy wrote:

Gateway City wrote:Looks like a barrel of foamy cat gonorrhea...

Well, that's certainly a new one.

I think Gateway City must have brought back a whole boatload of colorful colloquialisms from his stint in the Great Northwest.

framer wrote:

Ebsy wrote:

Gateway City wrote:Looks like a barrel of foamy cat gonorrhea...

Well, that's certainly a new one.

I think Gateway City must have brought back a whole boatload of colorful colloquialisms from his stint in the Great Northwest.

"Colloquialism" is a great word. I do all my own stunts, though, meaning that my phrases are usually originals or were things I picked up in St. Louis. All I learned in the pashitfic northwest were things like, "Unhhh, I don't even own a TV, I'm vegan..."





Downtown Olympia was a failed version of Cherokee street. That's clearly the route they were shooting for. If a dollar store were proposed for Downtown Olympia, it would be a mega-development. However, nothing is ever built there besides drive-thrus because any other type of new construction is like introducing Frankenstein's monster to the village in their eyes. Shoot, they beat a 7-story tower proposal, and it would have been the tallest building constructed there in over 40 years. Their current tallest building is a 9-story vacant building that the city wants to turn into something similar to FarmWorks but just doesn't have the money to do so. Even though St. Louis has its problems, at least it's still a big city and not some tiny little town like that. For us to have something like Cherokee Street at all is wonderful. However, I would prefer something similar to North Sarah for this and the surrounding parcels as opposed to a suburban dollar store. That MIGHT fly in Olympia, though...If they can look past the loss of parking spots.

Way too much parking against Cherokee and it would a terrible bookend on Jefferson.

We can do better than this...even if the dollar store were the tenant/owner.

I don't understand the opposition here. It's a tenant trying to move into an abandoned big box store. The parking would not be "against Cherokee" or "bookend Jefferson." It's just a Dollar Store subdividing the current building, filling about 2/3 of it, leasing the other 1/3, and assumedly repaving the lot that is currently there. The lot already exists and there wouldn't be any demo. What's the big deal?

^ i think this falls solidly in the "not all development is good development" category. i wouldn't mind as much if there were only one or two of these in the city, but they're popping up everywhere–there's one on Jefferson less than a mile away from this proposed store. they're predatory businesses (i.e. they target poor demographics) that offer low-quality goods made and sold by poorly-paid laborers–not a business model that we should be encouraging, IMHO. also, there's no reason that they need a grocery-store-sized parking lot. the site isn't appropriate for them and could be put to better use.

Are businesses that target poor demographics de facto predatory? Are the people who shop at Dollar Stores victims who need to be protected from themselves by others who know better? Or independent citizens who can make their own decisions?

Also how can you say the site isn't appropriate for a Dollar store when it's been a Hoods Discount Home Center for as long as anyone can remember?

As for the fact that the parking lot is too big, would you rather the southern half of the lot be left to lay fallow and be available for future development instead of being repaved? I imagine they might be open to such a proposal.

Interesting points. I was merely pointing out the city could greatly influence the development of this site in a manner more appropriate for Cherokee and more urban in design. By guiding how this site is rehabbed the City could manage what type of business ultimately uses it.

wabash wrote:Are businesses that target poor demographics de facto predatory?

if they make a profit selling poor people cheaply-made goods that are mass produced and peddled by other poor people, yes.

wabash wrote:Are the people who shop at Dollar Stores victims who need to be protected from themselves by others who know better? Or independent citizens who can make their own decisions?

some of both. neither makes their business practices ethical.

wabash wrote:Also how can you say the site isn't appropriate for a Dollar store when it's been a Hoods Discount Home Center for as long as anyone can remember?

the fact that it has been something doesn't make that something appropriate. what's appropriate here is a building with urban form housing a business that actually gives a sh*t about the community.

wabash wrote:As for the fact that the parking lot is too big, would you rather the southern half of the lot be left to lay fallow and be available for future development instead of being repaved? I imagine they might be open to such a proposal.

i would rather the whole thing lie fallow until a better use for the site comes along. given the rate at which Cherokee is adding locally-owned, independent businesses that shouldn't take too long. people who need cheap goods can travel the less-than-one-mile to the dollar store at Jefferson and Victor.

This site should be a 3-5 story mixed use building. The dollar store can go in the bottom if they so desire. Or the current building would make a great weed supermarket.

KerrytheKonstructor wrote:This site should be a 3-5 story mixed use building. The dollar store can go in the bottom if they so desire. Or the current building would make a great weed supermarket.

Weed like marijuana? We're at least 2 years from passing something like that as long as STL, KC, and Columbia pull together than rural MO can pull it head out of its urethra and understand what's best for its farms.

Whoa beer, you like blew my mind maaaan. I was like totally talking about a place to buy nuisance plants like dandelion seeds and crabgrass. Major buzzkill.

Beer? Wait, why would someone want nuisance plants? Whatever, either one would be fine.

Gateway City wrote:Beer? Wait, why would someone want nuisance plants? Whatever, either one would be fine.

i think he meant weed weed, not weeds. nuisance plants = snark i believe.