Ceylon Opus 6-Story Apts 25 N. Central

framer · PostJun 26, 2008#762008-06-26T04:36+00:00

The print edition had an updated rendering today. IMO, it's much improved.

The main difference is that the northern end will feature a smoothly curved facade, without the balconies at the top which gave it a very top-heavy look. And they've cleaned-up the base a bit, going with a more modern design, with lots of glass. It's still got the wierd "radiator fins", though, and migueltejada still won't like the window treatment on the end.

Overall, it's a much sleeker, more elegant design.

moorlander · PostJul 03, 2008#772008-07-03T20:10+00:00

Framer wrote:The print edition had an updated rendering today. IMO, it's much improved.

The main difference is that the northern end will feature a smoothly curved facade, without the balconies at the top which gave it a very top-heavy look. And they've cleaned-up the base a bit, going with a more modern design, with lots of glass. It's still got the wierd "radiator fins", though, and migueltejada still won't like the window treatment on the end.

Overall, it's a much sleeker, more elegant design.

Did it look like this Framer? While I'm not loving the gold, I think this is a huge improvement.

Here is a link the the pdf about the developent.

http://www.ci.clayton.mo.us/FileSystem/ ... ebsite.pdf

jlblues · PostJul 03, 2008#782008-07-03T20:33+00:00

Moorlander wrote:Did it look like this Framer? While I'm not loving the gold, I think this is a huge improvement.

What gold? I don't see anything gold on that rendering. I think you need to adjust your monitor.

Anyway, the tower is much, much better, although I think the vertical "fins" are still a bit too overstated. The base though is horrible. Get rid of the F'ing brick! Why does everything have to have brick?!? What you can see of the facade of the new garage/retail across the street (to the right on the rendering) looks good.. Why don't they continue that same theme on the base of the tower???

Interesting that they show signage for Sansai and Il Vicino on the garage renderings. I guess they have already signed LOIs.

moorlander · PostJul 03, 2008#792008-07-03T20:41+00:00

jlblues wrote:
Moorlander wrote:Did it look like this Framer? While I'm not loving the gold, I think this is a huge improvement.
That is much, better, although I think the vertical "fins" are still a bit too overstated.

What gold? I don't see anything gold on that rendering. I think you need to adjust your monitor.

Not gold? What is it then? Tan? Beige? It's always looked gold to me. And it's def not my monitor.

jlblues · PostJul 03, 2008#802008-07-03T20:47+00:00

^Are you talking about the color of the precast and/or stone portion of the tower? If so, then it looks to be concrete-grey with a slight beige tint on my monitor, so basically, limestone-colored, which is perhaps what it is.

jmedwick · PostJul 03, 2008#812008-07-03T20:54+00:00

While the other design as a bit odd, if executed properly, it could have been cool. This will just be ugly, like the Pet Building downtown.

jlblues · PostJul 03, 2008#822008-07-03T21:03+00:00

Anyone notice that on Page 2 of the pdf, it shows a "proposed park area" for the Wash U parking lot/Bally's area north of Forsyth, across from the Ritz? First I've heard of that.

moorlander · PostJul 03, 2008#832008-07-03T21:10+00:00

hmmm, looks gold on both my pc and my mac...

jlblues · PostJul 03, 2008#842008-07-03T21:12+00:00

^Must be your eyes then.

tb1000 · PostJul 03, 2008#852008-07-03T21:43+00:00

Curves on a building in Clayton? It will never happen. I will not believe it until I see it. No way, no how, impossible. Cannot be true. 4 corners and sharp edges are mandatory. We can't have no stinkin' fancy shape building like that. If this happens you might be able to tell this building apart from all of the others...well, except for the building on Hanley that has a climbing wall on its front facade.

rbb · PostJul 04, 2008#862008-07-04T00:11+00:00

For comparison:

-RBB

framer · PostJul 04, 2008#872008-07-04T03:41+00:00

I strongly prefer the new design, although I still don't like the base. It looks like an add-on, with absolutely no relationship to the design of the tower. And the "radiator fins" are just unnecessary. I love the curves, though. I suppose all four corners will have them, but you can't tell from the rendering.

BTW, the original design called for limestone, so I assume that's what the "gold" stuff is. Hopefully, they won't cheap-out and change it to precast concrete.

moorlander · PostJul 04, 2008#882008-07-04T03:51+00:00

^ no curves on the south side, see pdf pg. 6. Gotta love the 3rd floor rooftop dinning area!!!

framer · PostJul 04, 2008#892008-07-04T04:18+00:00

Sorry, I'm too lazy to open PDFs, I guess.

jlblues · PostJul 04, 2008#902008-07-04T05:08+00:00

Framer wrote:BTW, the original design called for limestone, so I assume that's what the "gold" stuff is. Hopefully, they won't cheap-out and change it to precast concrete.

Meh, they can make precast concrete look like just about anything these days. From the sidewalk, you'd never be able to tell the difference on anything above the second floor.

migueltejada · PostJul 04, 2008#912008-07-04T06:57+00:00

looks a lot better, but you're right - I hate the side facade. HOW HARD IS IS TO PUT MIRRORS DOWN THE SIDE? There has to be a reason regarding reflecting on neighboring properties. Only reason I can think of. Still doesn't stop the city from demanding they put something, ANYTHING down the side to break up the monotony

smsplanstu · PostJul 05, 2008#922008-07-05T18:44+00:00

It looks great and follows the redevelopment vision of the master plan for the CBD.

The tower has a small footing and width and would contribute to the office and tower streetwall of Maryland as well as the more retail and pedestrian firendly streetwall of Central. The parking garage building may be the best design since it has underground parking making for limited height above ground. It probably will not be noticed from the residential neighborhood.

The additions of retail are welcomed to keep downtown Clayton busy and lively which contributes to pedestrian safety. My only concerns are the attention to pedestrian/bicyclists interface with the hotel's circle drive. The designs indicate art, benches, and trees.

moorlander · PostJul 09, 2008#932008-07-09T13:06+00:00

This project got the green light. It was ok'd by the CofC.

gone corporate · PostJul 09, 2008#942008-07-09T22:40+00:00

Moorlander wrote:This project got the green light. It was ok'd by the CofC.

Oh yeah. This will be a solid addition to the Clayton skyline.

From StLToday.com:

Clayton OKs hotel and garage project

By Margaret Gillerman

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

Wednesday, Jul. 09 2008

CLAYTON — Twenty years after city officials scuttled a plan for a hotel and parking garage at Maryland and Central avenues, aldermen Tuesday gave a developer their unanimous support for a similar project at the same spot.

Clayton aldermen and Mayor Linda Goldstein said they were doing what they believed was best for the city by approving the Central Maryland Hotel project and parking garage.

The board's decision followed months of opposition from residents of Old Town Clayton and from Graybar Electric, a corporation based immediately west of the proposed hotel.

Before the vote, Goldstein said that the project had "created quite a lot of emotion among neighbors ... and talk in the community at large."

She told the plan's opponents: "All of us care deeply about the community" and "we can respect each other's opinions. In my mind, I think this rezoning is long overdue."

Alderman Steve Lichtenfeld, who represents the ward, said: "This location is probably the most critical in our entire city where the residential and business communities come together."

Alderman Alex Berger, also from Ward 3, said that the project had been modified to try to accommodate critics' concerns.

The $110 million proposal by R. J. York Development includes a 23-story, 225-room hotel tower, with 40 luxury condominiums and shops, and a parking garage with shops at Maryland and Central avenues. The development, designed by Core 10 Architecture, straddles both sides of Maryland west of Central.

Many neighbors in Old Town Clayton who had packed earlier hearings showed up for another standing-room-only meeting Tuesday. They also submitted more petitions in opposition to the project.

Neighbors have said the project would result in excessive traffic, blocked sunlight, impaired safety and allow commercial zoning to encroach into their residential neighborhood.

Some residents and business people spoke in favor of the project and said downtown Clayton needed more parking.

Lawyer Jeffrey Michelman said the city needed a "beautiful hotel" for business people that would exemplify "how terrific Clayton is."

Steve Shapiro said many Clayton residents outside Old Town liked the project. "Graybar has nerve to be going against a high-rise when Graybar is a high-rise," he said. "The parking is horrible here."

Source: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument

jlblues · PostJul 10, 2008#952008-07-10T00:08+00:00

Blocked sunlight? Huh? For whom? As far as I can tell, the only residents whose sunlight this building might partially block would be those on the lower floors of Maryland Place. Unless maybe they think there is going to be a dramatic increase in the Earth's axial tilt?

I guess maybe the blocked sunlight concerns come from non-residential property owners, in which case they have a lot of nerve. If you didn't want someone putting up a building on adjacent properties that blocks your sunlight or your view, then you should have purchased the air rights on those properties.

framer · PostJul 10, 2008#962008-07-10T04:50+00:00

"If you like your view, buy it"

moorlander · PostSep 21, 2008#972008-09-21T15:16+00:00

Ordinance - To approve a development agreement for the RJ York project. (Bill No. 6150)

· This is an ordinance authorizing the Mayor to execute documents, including but not limited to the development agreement and performance agreement with Centene Corp. Inevitably, this will commence the facilitation of the construction and equipping of RJ York’s: Central and Maryland Hotel project.

PostOct 03, 2008#982008-10-03T17:19+00:00

Project: Clayton Hotel and Residential project

$110 million, Clayton

Developer: RJ York Development

Status: Robert Kramer, principal of RJ York, plans to break ground in early 2009 on the 23-story hotel and condo tower and 377-car garage at Central and Maryland avenues. City officials granted RJ York a one-year time window to secure financing for the project.

What They’re Saying:

“We are in the final stages on approvals from the city of Clayton and our financing,” Kramer said.

http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/ ... tml?page=2

framer · PostOct 30, 2008#992008-10-30T04:28+00:00

The West End Word is reporting that the size of the tower has been reduced to 19 floors. The number of condo units is being reduced from 23 to 18. The hotel portion remains unchanged.

moorlander · PostFeb 06, 2009#1002009-02-06T14:19+00:00

I'd love to have a W here.

Developer says luxury hotel in Clayton is a go, despite financing lag

By Margaret Gillerman

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

02/06/2009

CLAYTON — While the economy has pushed back the timetable, a developer says a new luxury hotel for Clayton is going to happen.

It would be Clayton's sixth hotel and the first built there from the ground up since the Ritz-Carlton opened in 1990.

The new hotel would be a 20- to 23-story luxury Westin under plans by RJ York Development of Clayton and approved by the city of Clayton, says Robert Kramer, an owner of RJ York.

The hotel is unnamed but is now called the Central Maryland Hotel for its location at the crossroads of two important Clayton avenues. The site is planned as part of a larger mixed-use development.

It would offer 245 rooms, upscale retail shops and restaurants on the lower floors. MORE METRO

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York has told Clayton officials that the company has obtained a license agreement to operate a hotel from Starwood Hotels, which owns Westin and several brands, including W Hotels.

Tyler Stephens, principal architect on the project and a principal of CORE10 Architecture in Clayton, is working with Marcus Hotels, a Milwaukee-based hotel management company that would manage the hotel.

"This project promises to give Clayton a new punctuation in the skyline, providing the kind of hip, vibrant hotel scene that the area is currently lacking," Stephens said.

"The design will be modern in every way, from the energy saving technology underneath, to the amenity spaces inside, to the streamlined, bold nature of the facade outside."

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