^Ah, reality. Thanks for the shots of the Park Pacific too.
Photos from Saturday and today:
Sneak Preview of the Central Library
Sneak Preview of the Central Library
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^Wow! It looks fantastic, especially like the lighted water feature. Does anyone know if there will be landscaping, or will the grass lawn remain? Thanks for the photos!
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The Library really looks fantastic. Thanks for posting pics!
Waller McGuire, Executive Director of the St. Louis Public Library on the parking situation at the Central Library:
"Parking is always a challenge, people always ask about that. There's something about St. Louis and the Midwest, I don’t think anybody would be satisfied unless they could drive up the steps and park in the Great Hall. But we have parking all around us, we don’t have our own garage so actually that's probably something that we'll start looking at. Now we are a city library so we're not out in the country where you can just pave over a meadow and have acres of parking spaces. So people can still find us but there are meters and we're working to see if we can broad - We have a small lot for patrons but that's still a challenge for us."
From here at 39:10.
"Parking is always a challenge, people always ask about that. There's something about St. Louis and the Midwest, I don’t think anybody would be satisfied unless they could drive up the steps and park in the Great Hall. But we have parking all around us, we don’t have our own garage so actually that's probably something that we'll start looking at. Now we are a city library so we're not out in the country where you can just pave over a meadow and have acres of parking spaces. So people can still find us but there are meters and we're working to see if we can broad - We have a small lot for patrons but that's still a challenge for us."
From here at 39:10.
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You have to be kidding. They built a new garage across the street at the Park Pacific. Partner with them.
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Blame the city!
http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/ma ... 014ee.htmlSt. Louis, towing company wait for victims to park downtown
With great anticipation we prepared to attend the members’ opening of the splendidly refurbished Central Library on Dec. 2. It was a beautiful day, and we would have walked from our home nearby, except that my husband is 88 years old and frail. With visitors from all over the area, parking was at a premium, but we thought the YMCA lot on Locust Street was available, as several other cars did as well — and all were towed at a cost of $400 each.
There are indeed small signs saying parking is limited to Y members, but you have to read closely to understand that you can be towed for parking there when it is not open. Since the Y, purportedly a community service organization, is closed on Sunday, one would think they could be hospitable to people visiting a significant downtown event. Or if not, it would be a kindness to block entrance to the parking lot, though that would of course deprive the towing company that lurks, waiting for victims, of their usurious profit.
What kind of impression, I wonder, did people chancing a visit downtown get from having their cars towed, not to mention having to walk in the street for a block because of the barriers around Larry Rice’s “shelter”?
To add insult to injury, the police station where a kind fellow downtowner took us to retrieve the car had an ATM that required four separate $100 transactions with a $5 charge for each.
St. Louis is on the brink of a real renewal, but this kind of unwelcoming and predatory policy would not bring me back if I were a visitor. I’m a dedicated city dweller and it makes me furious.
Virginia Benson • St. Louis
Unfortunate situation, but you can't really fault the city - they weren't involved here, right? Seems the arguably predatory towing was on behalf of the Y and the towing company.debaliviere wrote:Blame the city!
St. Louis, towing company wait for victims to park downtown
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I was being facetious. She parked in a private lot and shouldn't have been surprised when her car was towed. If you don't want your car towed, don't park illegally. To think that the Y would allow people to park there as some sort of public service is awfully presumptuous on her part.terence d wrote:Unfortunate situation, but you can't really fault the city - they weren't involved here, right? Seems the arguably predatory towing was on behalf of the Y and the towing company.
And to complain about ATM fees at the police station is ridiculous as well.
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^ I think it's the fault of the city any time a visitor has a bad experience, or put another way, there is something the city could have done to make the experience better. Having better signage, modern parking meters, smart parking technology, etc. would make the experience better for people. In this particular case who knows if it would have helped.
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That's one thing, but parking illegally and then complaining when your car gets towed is another.Alex Ihnen wrote:^ I think it's the fault of the city any time a visitor has a bad experience, or put another way, there is something the city could have done to make the experience better. Having better signage, modern parking meters, smart parking technology, etc. would make the experience better for people. In this particular case who knows if it would have helped.
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It's the Y's job to block off their parking lot when the facility is closed?? Sorry, this lady is a freakin' pill.
Though I agree with Alex's thoughts on our ability to work on our parking in the city. It's about quality here not quantity.
Though I agree with Alex's thoughts on our ability to work on our parking in the city. It's about quality here not quantity.
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Sure, but then having an ATM that charges $5 and only allows one to withdrawl $100 at a time? That's just adding insult to injury and is poor service.debaliviere wrote:That's one thing, but parking illegally and then complaining when your car gets towed is another.Alex Ihnen wrote:^ I think it's the fault of the city any time a visitor has a bad experience, or put another way, there is something the city could have done to make the experience better. Having better signage, modern parking meters, smart parking technology, etc. would make the experience better for people. In this particular case who knows if it would have helped.
I don't think there's much the city could do here. Parking is so abundant and available downtown, especially on a Sunday like this one where I don't think there were any other events occurring.I think it's the fault of the city any time a visitor has a bad experience, or put another way, there is something the city could have done to make the experience better. Having better signage, modern parking meters, smart parking technology, etc. would make the experience better for people. In this particular case who knows if it would have helped.
I have to think these people were just looking for a free place to park, took a chance and lost. That said, I find it a little funny to read the YMCA's mission statement in light of having the cars towed so quickly and with such a hefty fine charged.
With a mission to put Christian principles into practice through programs that build a healthy spirit, mind and body for all, our impact is felt when an individual makes a healthy choice, when a mentor inspires a child and when a community comes together for the common good.
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Then again, it's nice of them to provide an ATM. $5 really isn't that exhorbitant in this day and age.Alex Ihnen wrote:Sure, but then having an ATM that charges $5 and only allows one to withdrawl $100 at a time? That's just adding insult to injury and is poor service.
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^ it was $20 ($5/$100) - $15.50 more for $400 withdrawl than any ATM I've used
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Yep, those independent ATMs are a ripoff. You pay for the convenience.Alex Ihnen wrote:^ it was $20 ($5/$100) - $15.50 more for $400 withdrawl than any ATM I've used
It's a sad fact, but I think there will always be extreme difficulty getting most people in the county to come patronize anything in the city if they're expected to pay for parking.terence d wrote:
I don't think there's much the city could do here. Parking is so abundant and available downtown, especially on a Sunday like this one where I don't think there were any other events occurring.
I have to think these people were just looking for a free place to park, took a chance and lost.
The convenience really can't be beat when you can drive right up to the door of wherever you're going, and park for free.
When you're spending the gas to drive into the city, and spend money and/or time at whatever you're patronizing, and on top of that you need to pay for parking in a garage somewhere, it begins to look like it's not worth it.
I know that is totally ridiculous to anyone who is accustomed to habitually parking in the city and doing stuff here, but I think that's their view, whether or not you find it legitimate.
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Sure, but this woman even said she's a life long city dweller. She's just crotchety.rawest1 wrote:It's a sad fact, but I think there will always be extreme difficulty getting most people in the county to come patronize anything in the city if they're expected to pay for parking.terence d wrote:
I don't think there's much the city could do here. Parking is so abundant and available downtown, especially on a Sunday like this one where I don't think there were any other events occurring.
I have to think these people were just looking for a free place to park, took a chance and lost.
The convenience really can't be beat when you can drive right up to the door of wherever you're going, and park for free.
When you're spending the gas to drive into the city, and spend money and/or time at whatever you're patronizing, and on top of that you need to pay for parking in a garage somewhere, it begins to look like it's not worth it.
I know that is totally ridiculous to anyone who is accustomed to habitually parking in the city and doing stuff here, but I think that's their view, whether or not you find it legitimate.
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Let me first say that I was always blown away by the library BEFORE the remodel. The remodel fully reveals an absolutley stunning and breathatking piece of architecture and a living testament to the ingenuity and artfulness of humankind. It's world-class.
You've got to hand it people 100 years ago, they simply did not ***** around when they decided to build something. Back then, they must have kept a stable of real artists on the payroll. Who even FATHOMS this now? Now, we can barely find the ways or means to throw up four walls, some wires and a tube connected to the sewer on an empty lot. Thinking about it in those terms almost made me cry.
You've got to hand it people 100 years ago, they simply did not ***** around when they decided to build something. Back then, they must have kept a stable of real artists on the payroll. Who even FATHOMS this now? Now, we can barely find the ways or means to throw up four walls, some wires and a tube connected to the sewer on an empty lot. Thinking about it in those terms almost made me cry.
Yep, totally agree. These structures are among our city's finest treasures. We should be very proud of the architecture and the history that our city has.leeharveyawesome wrote:You've got to hand it people 100 years ago, they simply did not f*** around when they decided to build something. Back then, they must have kept a stable of real artists on the payroll. Who even FATHOMS this now? Now, we can barely find the ways or means to throw up four walls, some wires and a tube connected to the sewer on an empty lot. Thinking about it in those terms almost made me cry.
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To Mr. Waller McGuire
Executive Director, Saint Louis Public Library:
Should the Central Library anticipates a need to build a new parking structure, may I humbly recommend building it on Larry Rice's NLEC, and in doing so removing a nuisance property caddycorner to the library.
Two birds, one stone.
Just don't make it a barren, nasty garage like the one for the Parc Pacific. Thanks.
Executive Director, Saint Louis Public Library:
Should the Central Library anticipates a need to build a new parking structure, may I humbly recommend building it on Larry Rice's NLEC, and in doing so removing a nuisance property caddycorner to the library.
Two birds, one stone.
Just don't make it a barren, nasty garage like the one for the Parc Pacific. Thanks.
In case anyone was worried that the improvements to the Library are getting just too much positive press, no need to fear - KMOX has a wet blanket at the ready:
New Central Library Could Be A Haven For The Homeless
Farcical.
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New Central Library Could Be A Haven For The Homeless
Farcical.
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