I believe Carondelet Park was particularily hard-hit by the wind and ice storms last year.
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Framer wrote:I'm sure someone else knows more about the arrangement than I do. I'm very suspicious.
That makes at least two of us- I'm very suspicious as well.
Stlmark, you are correct about the trees. Its hard to see the trees through the forest I guess...
Or is it forest through the trees? I forget...
Crap, I suck...anyway, I just want to say that I absolutly love living one block from carondelet park. I used to live a couple of blocks from Tower Grove and thought I was in heaven, but I'll be honest, I think I like Carondelet better. Granted TG is a bit more "urban" in its feel and has more things going on (farmers market), but for a lame married guy with a new kid, Carondelet is great. Can't wait to take my kid to the sweet playground when she's old enough and then finish it off with some swimming at the new pool.
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Does Tower Grove even have a Playground? I walked my dog there last weekend (what a fabulous place!) and didn't se one. If ther eis one I'll bet that ther's not McDonald-Land plastic play-drek, though.malone wrote:Crap, I suck...anyway, I just want to say that I absolutly love living one block from carondelet park. I used to live a couple of blocks from Tower Grove and thought I was in heaven, but I'll be honest, I think I like Carondelet better. Granted TG is a bit more "urban" in its feel and has more things going on (farmers market), but for a lame married guy with a new kid, Carondelet is great. Can't wait to take my kid to the sweet playground when she's old enough and then finish it off with some swimming at the new pool.
Tower Grove is so very very special. Wow, those gazebo sturctures!
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Isn't there a newer playground in the north east corner?
GelatinousEndive wrote:Does Tower Grove even have a Playground? I walked my dog there last weekend (what a fabulous place!) and didn't se one. If ther eis one I'll bet that ther's not McDonald-Land plastic play-drek, though.malone wrote:Crap, I suck...anyway, I just want to say that I absolutly love living one block from carondelet park. I used to live a couple of blocks from Tower Grove and thought I was in heaven, but I'll be honest, I think I like Carondelet better. Granted TG is a bit more "urban" in its feel and has more things going on (farmers market), but for a lame married guy with a new kid, Carondelet is great. Can't wait to take my kid to the sweet playground when she's old enough and then finish it off with some swimming at the new pool.
Tower Grove is so very very special. Wow, those gazebo sturctures!
There are two playgrounds in TGP: one big one by the wading pool near the roundabout in the middle of the park, and one smaller one off Grand & Magnolia.
I have to say I'm tremendously disappointed if this recplex is just another branch of the Y. I can't afford to use the Y as it is. Why should my tax dollars go to build a "public" facility that I can't use? If it's similar to the various suburban rec plexes, and the fees are nominal and per-use (a buck to use the pool, or whatever), that's fine. But if you need a $60 monthly membership to use it, then what the hell did I vote for?
you voted for a tax increase so we can now have the highest sales tax in the region.
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I went "sledding" with my daughter less than two weeks ago on the hillside at the ballfields in Carondelet Park. What doesn't seem like three years, I have lived less than two blocks from the park for TEN years. Never in all the time here did I think I'd look up and see that magnificent treeline gone - until today, when I saw what happened in the light for the first time since the desforestation and deconstruction began in earnest.
For the first time in ten years, I'm considering moving out of the city and back to North County - where the trees are still growing (after 30 years, they're not so small now). What good is there in this recreational complex being built? Never mind that trees will be put back up - they won't be large like the ones getting felled until my daughter's grandchildren are born.
Sheesh.
Snow days at CARONDELET PARK are now extinct.
For the first time in ten years, I'm considering moving out of the city and back to North County - where the trees are still growing (after 30 years, they're not so small now). What good is there in this recreational complex being built? Never mind that trees will be put back up - they won't be large like the ones getting felled until my daughter's grandchildren are born.
Sheesh.
Snow days at CARONDELET PARK are now extinct.
STL Citizen wrote:I went "sledding" with my daughter less than two weeks ago on the hillside at the ballfields in Carondelet Park. What doesn't seem like three years, I have lived less than two blocks from the park for TEN years. Never in all the time here did I think I'd look up and see that magnificent treeline gone - until today, when I saw what happened in the light for the first time since the desforestation and deconstruction began in earnest.
For the first time in ten years, I'm considering moving out of the city and back to North County - where the trees are still growing (after 30 years, they're not so small now). What good is there in this recreational complex being built? Never mind that trees will be put back up - they won't be large like the ones getting felled until my daughter's grandchildren are born.
Sheesh.
Snow days at CARONDELET PARK are now extinct.
Wow... that is a little dramatic. They aren't clearing the Amazon rain forest, and there are still plenty of trees in CP... I am sure there are plenty of trees that have been torn down in NoCo over the years too and there will be plenty left in CP when the center is built.
While I may have my issues with the Y, etc., I have no problem clearing a few trees to make a community center. If the only thing that would make you move to NoCo from the city is the tearing down of a few trees...
This is a good project for the city and the park is the perfect place for it, however it should not simply give the Y a publicly financed building. I still would like a little clarification on the whole deal. Anyone know any more than what is posted so far?
Sorry, I don't know much about the Y deal specifically.
As for the loss of trees and the sledding hill. I wouldn't say that spot is the best in Carondelet, as the finish of the hill runs into a RR track. Try the other side, my wife and I enjoyed that this past snow.
The trees are being replanted, and this community center will do more for the park and the local community to offset the loss of those old and majestic trees.
As for the loss of trees and the sledding hill. I wouldn't say that spot is the best in Carondelet, as the finish of the hill runs into a RR track. Try the other side, my wife and I enjoyed that this past snow.
The trees are being replanted, and this community center will do more for the park and the local community to offset the loss of those old and majestic trees.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument]
This is a done deal, with the Y still in the picture. According to the article, the Y is going to control the gym and the pool, but the other areas will be open free of charge to the public. You will also be able to purchase a summer swim pass. The city is claiming that subbing the management of the gym and pool to the Y is going to save $2M in operating expenses. The old Y location in Carondolet will be retained by the Y for mixed use.
The city is also building another similar rec plex in O'Fallon Park.
The tax-hike is to help mod/maintain all of the rec facilities in the City.
This is a done deal, with the Y still in the picture. According to the article, the Y is going to control the gym and the pool, but the other areas will be open free of charge to the public. You will also be able to purchase a summer swim pass. The city is claiming that subbing the management of the gym and pool to the Y is going to save $2M in operating expenses. The old Y location in Carondolet will be retained by the Y for mixed use.
The city is also building another similar rec plex in O'Fallon Park.
The tax-hike is to help mod/maintain all of the rec facilities in the City.
And after reading that I am even more concerned. It says this location will pay the same as the Sublette location, but then it says county residents will be able to use it but the city residents will get a discount. Which one is it? I want to know what discount we will actually get.
I'm sure for members of this forum, it will be free since we are biting our fingernails about this one year before it is even open.
I too hope that this discount is less than the South City YMCA dues, but I would guess that country residents will pay more than the current South City dues.
I too hope that this discount is less than the South City YMCA dues, but I would guess that country residents will pay more than the current South City dues.
St. Louis residents to get rec center
By Tim O'Neil
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
03/18/2008
St. Louis — Bulldozers are making way for a $20.8 million recreation center in Carondelet Park that is designed to give city residents a suburban-style place to heft weights and zip down a water slide.
The Southside Community Center, within view of Interstate 55, will have indoor and outdoor swimming and water park features. Its two-story building will include two basketball courts, weight and exercise rooms, an overhead jogging track and general meeting rooms.
The YMCA of Greater St. Louis is in line to manage the gym and swim parts through membership fees, but the general meeting areas will be open to all residents.
"We're trying to provide some of the amenities that people have in St. Louis County, and make city living that much more attractive," said Alderman Fred Wessels.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument
By Tim O'Neil
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
03/18/2008
St. Louis — Bulldozers are making way for a $20.8 million recreation center in Carondelet Park that is designed to give city residents a suburban-style place to heft weights and zip down a water slide.
The Southside Community Center, within view of Interstate 55, will have indoor and outdoor swimming and water park features. Its two-story building will include two basketball courts, weight and exercise rooms, an overhead jogging track and general meeting rooms.
The YMCA of Greater St. Louis is in line to manage the gym and swim parts through membership fees, but the general meeting areas will be open to all residents.
"We're trying to provide some of the amenities that people have in St. Louis County, and make city living that much more attractive," said Alderman Fred Wessels.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument
This is great! As a kid growing up just north of the park, this would have been sweet to have available. I'm excited for everyone living in the area and hope this will attract more local residents who ride their bikes over rather than those from the county who drive in. This is also good for me, as I plan to move back to the area someday.
The recplex is moving along pretty quickley and is easily visable from I-55. The developer has a sign along the highway, but the rendering is pretty hard to see. I hope the finished product still has huge windows overlooking the baseball fields and highway.
Here is a question for the forum: Do you think YMCA/recplex like this is going to cause some people to want to stay in the city or reconsider moving?
Now if we could just fix the schools.
Here is a question for the forum: Do you think YMCA/recplex like this is going to cause some people to want to stay in the city or reconsider moving?
Now if we could just fix the schools.
I'm not sure but it will definitely change some people's perception of STL city----countians and cross-country travelers.
malone wrote:Here is a question for the forum: Do you think YMCA/recplex like this is going to cause some people to want to stay in the city or reconsider moving?
Now if we could just fix the schools.
Not that I was looking a whole lot in the county anyway (Maplewood's as far as I'd move), but when I bought my first house in Holly Hills this past summer, that rec plex was a small but important factor in the decision, yes.
Heh, now I'm crossing my fingers for my daughter to get into Kennard...
Looks like the rec center pool is running behind schedule. Check out the January 2009 HHIA newsletter.
http://stlouis.missouri.org/hollyhills/ ... hive.shtml
http://stlouis.missouri.org/hollyhills/ ... hive.shtml
This news about not being ready for the summer really sucks. I was looking forward to walking to the pool with my daughter. Oh well. At least this project is nearing completion and won't be a "softball field and parking lot".
BTW, in driving past this construction, I'm amazed at the size of the facility. It really makes an impression as folks drive down I-55. My dad was in town and he couldn't stop looking at it. He may be more excited than I am.
BTW, in driving past this construction, I'm amazed at the size of the facility. It really makes an impression as folks drive down I-55. My dad was in town and he couldn't stop looking at it. He may be more excited than I am.