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^I can agree with that as well. 

Maybe this is a showpiece that Browning can use to get things changed so BJC can easily tear down the Railroad Hospital. 

Nowhere that has building permits and codes would issue you a building permit without submitting plans. Those plans cost money to draw. So even if this 7 days review were possible, you'd still need to spend significant money before getting your building permit approve.

I would love some default approved plans for 1-6 families to help lower costs and headaches for developers. Also zoning reforms to diminish some NIMBY attack strategies, like getting rid of parking mandates.

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑

Mar 12, 2025

The commentary on it taking 200 days versus other cities taking only 7 also rings a little hollow after rewatching it.  I don't think one week is long enough, regardless of the project, for anyone to adequately review a construction permit. 

Agree, just speaks to the culture of extremes we dig ourselves into.   We got a problem with 200 days which is the case but someone goes out of the way by stating the unreasonable, unrealistically states 7 days when professionals from developers to architects to engineers to planners could and should agree to what is review time for given structures

$0 zoning-only building permit application submitted for new commercial building retail at 4568 West Pine, Boy Scouts HQ. HDA Architects are listed as the contact.

Hmmmm . . . interesting. 

Wait I thought no developer would ever touch this site or the city ever again?

I guess the 40bps drop in the 10yr in the last 2 months has more to do with it

Is the Boy Scouts building (4568 West Pine) redevelopment back from the dead?

Permit Record 5
Project Type:	New Const.
Application Number:	587156
Application Date:	09/04/2025
Structure Type:	Commercial
Estimated Costs:	$0.00
Contractor:
Application Description:	NEW CONSTRUCT COMM BLDG PER PLANS (CRO & ZONING ONLY)

Notably, this zoning-only permit says it's for a new "commercial" building versus the last one (for an "apartment building"), which ended up being cancelled.

This will be a multi-family development presented by an out of town developer.

quincunx wrote: ↑

Sep 06, 2025

$0 zoning-only building permit application submitted for new commercial building retail at 4568 West Pine, Boy Scouts HQ. HDA Architects are listed as the contact.

I am always so slow compared to you forumers. Sorry for the double post about the permit!

Exterior looks ok, I like that there will be some retail space and that there are more 2 bedroom units in it than most recently constructed apartment buildings in the city https://www.cityscene-stl.com/post/new- ... l-west-end

The CWE needs this and a lot more of it.

Hassenflu hasn't completed, let alone started, any of his new construction projects he has presented in St. Louis, Kansas City or Omaha. I doubt this one will get done, but hope to be wrong. Remember, he also proposed the development "41Lindell" and the replacement to Mike Shannon's downtown. While not necessarily a bad thing, he could be one of those "developers" who gets plans entitled then turns around and tries to sell the plans as "build ready". It does end up resulting in a significantly drawn out development process or the complete cancellation of the plan altogether.

Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑

Sep 09, 2025

Hassenflu hasn't completed, let alone started, any of his new construction projects he has presented in St. Louis, Kansas City or Omaha. I doubt this one will get done, but hope to be wrong. Remember, he also proposed the development "41Lindell" and the replacement to Mike Shannon's downtown. While not necessarily a bad thing, he could be one of those "developers" who gets plans entitled then turns around and tries to sell the plans as "build ready". It does end up resulting in a significantly drawn out development process or the complete cancellation of the plan altogether.

Everyone needs a first?

Ugly but build it

Looks great

pattimagee wrote: ↑

Nov 19, 2025

My main point:  so glad this is happening. good for the CWE. 

my nit:  usual 5-over-1 that could be in Charlotte, Dallas, Nashville, Cleveland, etc.  I do NOT think its reasonable to expect new construction to always have something special/unique but, man, there's already this near exact design up the street. 

I mostly wish the windows were bigger. Looks kinda institutional like this.

Yea I wish if we were gonna build 5 over 1s, the brick is red and there’s some cornice or brick detail somewhere in the building. I know some people want to see different stuff but St. Louis needs identity, and I think we should just embrace red brick as our heritage and make our city recognizable at a street level everywhere. These other materials could be anywhere in the country

Nevertheless, densifying the CWE is healthy for our city and love to see it

cwe housing stock has more blond than red 

I kinda like the contrast with the black brick next door and the red brick across the street. That rendering/materials look a lot better than the initial sketches (of the updated version)