I guess this represents that the massive retail cluster in the Brentwood Blvd. area is not concentrated enough and that there is more demand than meets the eye.
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ChesterfieldKid03 wrote:Looks like there will not be a phase 3 of the Boulevard and instead The Sansone Group will be developing the land into a shopping center called Pinnacle Square.
The Sansone flyer does though list some of the tenants for phase 2 of the Boulevard: Di*k's Sporting Goods, Ethan Allen, 24 Hour Fitness and McCormick & Schmick's Seafood.
I'm glad to see there will be a Boulevard Phase II, but I'm disappointed to see Phase III replaced with a strip center. I guess it's good to see them building up to the street (wish they would of thought about that at Southtown), but it looks like no consideration has been given to pedestrian access along Brentwood Boulevard (which is also a weakness of The Boulevard, even though I like it okay overall).
Like Grover said, it's great that nearly everything you need can be found in this small area, but since none of it is connected by anything other than Brentwood Boulevard (or Eager Road in the case of Brentwood Square, The Promenade, Brentwood Pointe, and The Meridian), no wonder traffic around there is often a nightmare.
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The phase III is disappointing. It would have been nicer if they extended the Boulevard and build the Valencia condo tower. That would look so much nicer than another strip mall that could've been planted anywhere around here. 
Anyone have renderings of phase II? I wonder how they are going to build the d*cks and 24 hour Fitness on that land? Hopefully, both will be two levels with apartments on top.
Anyone have renderings of phase II? I wonder how they are going to build the d*cks and 24 hour Fitness on that land? Hopefully, both will be two levels with apartments on top.
Exactly, Grover! The problem is that this area is a victim of Galleria's success. Frankly, parking at Galleria is already pretty intimidating, and traffic is such a mess that parking twice is out of the question. In addition, most people aren't going to cross Brentwood Blvd on foot (well, especially older or those with children).
There is a reason that street-level retail works on a narrow street like Euclid. Can you imagine if someone tried to build the "Boulevard CWE" along Kingshighway?
There is a reason that street-level retail works on a narrow street like Euclid. Can you imagine if someone tried to build the "Boulevard CWE" along Kingshighway?
Grover wrote:I guess it's good to see more retail options, but this whole area is a real clusterf*ck. So maybe there's everything I need, but to get to it all I may have to drive to the Boulevard, say to eat or have my wife's ring cleaned at Jared's, drive to the Galleria to buy a tie, drive to Borders for a magazine, maybe stop in at Circuit City or Whole Foods, drive to Target for a shower curtain, drive to Dierbergs for general groceries, drive to Men's Warehouse to pick up a suit, drive to Home Depot for a light switch and then drive to Maplewood Commons if I haven't found everything I want. This is the reason there's such a traffic problem in this area.
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Bombay is having a going out of business sale at Boulevard 1.
Unless it has been redesigned, phase II, from what I recall, will look pretty much like a strip center.10-intuition wrote:Anyone have renderings of phase II? I wonder how they are going to build the d*cks and 24 hour Fitness on that land? Hopefully, both will be two levels with apartments on top.
Was it true that both the owners of the Burger King and Shell station were wanting a couple million each for their land?
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This sucks ... Does anyone know of any quality projects Sansone has done?
dweebe wrote:Was it true that both the owners of the Burger King and Shell station were wanting a couple million each for their land?
^Doesn't surprise me if that is the case.
That area is hot. With the New I-64, new I-170 flyovers, MetroLink access, all of the Hanley projects, ongoing and forthcoming Galleria improvements, the new hotels etc., I don't blame them.
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bpe235 wrote:This sucks ... Does anyone know of any quality projects Sansone has done?
Quality? No. They did do the Brentwood Promenade though.
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DeBaliviere wrote:bpe235 wrote:This sucks ... Does anyone know of any quality projects Sansone has done?
Quality? No. They did do the Brentwood Promenade though.
Pretty much, they run a few office properties here and there. As for retail from what I've seen is they prefer to build big box strip malls. I thought from earlier renderings of the Boulevard later phases were to include a similar configuration as phase I, but also include a hotel and an office building. I guess they figured more stores with big box style would be best for this area.
Any word on the Westin and Hiltons to be built at Brentwood and Clayton? When is construction going to start?
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bpe235 wrote:Bombay is having a going out of business sale at Boulevard 1.
I guess they aren't doing so well, and not just in St. Louis. I went to their website and they've discontinued online sales.
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ThreeOneFour wrote:bpe235 wrote:Bombay is having a going out of business sale at Boulevard 1.
I guess they aren't doing so well, and not just in St. Louis. I went to their website and they've discontinued online sales.
I remember reading an article on yahoo news they were closing all their US stores, but keeping the Canadian stores open. I don't really care for this store, but its sad the company went from prosperous to struggling.
I'd like to see a Nordstrom Rack come to STL.
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Arch City wrote:Unless it has been redesigned, phase II, from what I recall, will look pretty much like a strip center.10-intuition wrote:Anyone have renderings of phase II? I wonder how they are going to build the d*cks and 24 hour Fitness on that land? Hopefully, both will be two levels with apartments on top.
Phase II will be the same as phase I, with the main street down the middle and stores on both sides of it.
Preliminary Development Plan
Phase II will be a total redevelopment of the middle 1/3 of the Francis Place redevelopment area. All existing buildings and facilities will be removed. New underground utilities will be installed, including an extensive underground storm water detention system.
Phase II has a site area of 4.74 acres.
A series of buildings would be erected along a continuation of the Phase I Boulevard Street.
The plan proposes new retail and restaurant space of approximately 176,825sf, a hotel of 160 rooms and a six story parking garage providing 809 parking spaces.
As in Phase I, the new Boulevard will be landscaped, and provided with benches and distinctive crosswalks for pedestrian use. The new Boulevard will provide access to the garage, to on street parking, and to the trash facilities and loading areas.
Parking for the Phase II will be provided from a large parking structure on the east side of the site. The structure will extend almost the full distance from Galleria Parkway to the end of the Phase II site. The garage will have six stories above grade, and space for 809 cars will be provided. 804 spaces is the required number of spaces as determined by Pace’s parking engineers, Desman Associates. Desman calculated the number of spaces The Boulevard would require under a shared parking analysis. Desman based their analysis upon the study Parking Generation by the Institute of Traffic Engineering and Shared Parking and the Dimensions of Parking by the Urban Land Institute. Their parking study analyzed the monthly, weekday and even hourly variation in parking demand, as well as the use of captive market (the interaction of the mixed uses) to determine the number of spaces required for The Boulevard development.
The parking garage as shown extends over a portion of Antler Drive. This arrangement allows Antler Drive to serve as an entrance to the garage. The Petitioner will need to negotiate a lease of this property from the city.
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10-intuition wrote:I'd like to see a Nordstrom Rack come to STL.
Oh yeah. And Boulevard St. Louis seems like a logical choice since it's just across the street from where Nordstrom will build its second area location on the site of the former Lord & Taylor space.
Yes, but is that still the plan considering that Pace has given up on Phase III?ChesterfieldKid03 wrote:Arch City wrote:Unless it has been redesigned, phase II, from what I recall, will look pretty much like a strip center.10-intuition wrote:Anyone have renderings of phase II? I wonder how they are going to build the d*cks and 24 hour Fitness on that land? Hopefully, both will be two levels with apartments on top.
Phase II will be the same as phase I, with the main street down the middle and stores on both sides of it.
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As far as I know Phase III has been out of the picture for awhile, there has been a Sansone Group sign on that property for about a year now, and the latest plans that Richmond Heights has for The Boulevard are the ones I posted from July 07.
Thanks for the research. So I wonder if this is a redesign? Perhaps I am mistaken, but I thought they were planning a big box strip center for phase II. Either way, hopefully I can find the Phase II rendering.ChesterfieldKid03 wrote:Phase II will be the same as phase I, with the main street down the middle and stores on both sides of it.
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Here is a rendering I have of phase II. Ive had it saved on my computer for a couple months and forgot about it. I can't remember where I found it.
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CK03...thanks for all the info you've posted. I'm glad to see that it looks like Boulevard Phase II is going forward, but I'm still quite disappointed to see Phase III give way to plans for a strip center. I know this is an auto-dominated area, but it's still prime real estate that I think could and should be so much more than a strip center.
And, speaking of strip centers, Brentwood could and should have done much better with the string of strip centers along Eager Road from Brentwood Square on the west to The Meridian at Brentwood to the east, but I guess that's another rant for another thread.
And, speaking of strip centers, Brentwood could and should have done much better with the string of strip centers along Eager Road from Brentwood Square on the west to The Meridian at Brentwood to the east, but I guess that's another rant for another thread.
Phase II has undergone several redesigns over the years. There was originally to be a condo tower and a boutique hotel. We know the condos are out, not sure about the hotel and whether or not the condo tower will be replaced with residential over retail similar to Phase I. Every rendering I have ever seen of Phase II indicated a continuation of 'The Boulevard' and the parking garage. Bombay leaving is going to complicate matters as I suspect Pace is already having a hard enough time finding enough retail tenants to fill Phase II.
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ThreeOneFour wrote:CK03...thanks for all the info you've posted. I'm glad to see that it looks like Boulevard Phase II is going forward, but I'm still quite disappointed to see Phase III give way to plans for a strip center. I know this is an auto-dominated area, but it's still prime real estate that I think could and should be so much more than a strip center.
And, speaking of strip centers, Brentwood could and should have done much better with the string of strip centers along Eager Road from Brentwood Square on the west to The Meridian at Brentwood to the east, but I guess that's another rant for another thread.
I am hoping the BK and Shell continue to hold out and delay phase III, not that it may change Sansones plans for phase III. I just hoping they go back to the drawing board on this one. As for Brentwood, wish they build a Costco there, buy out one of the buildings in the industrial area behind the Promenade. That area really could use a Costco.
That area is already saturated with retail and big box. Maybe phase III should build a movie theater and a Gameworks or D&B instead.
jlblues wrote:Phase II has undergone several redesigns over the years. There was originally to be a condo tower and a boutique hotel. We know the condos are out, not sure about the hotel and whether or not the condo tower will be replaced with residential over retail similar to Phase I. Every rendering I have ever seen of Phase II indicated a continuation of 'The Boulevard' and the parking garage. Bombay leaving is going to complicate matters as I suspect Pace is already having a hard enough time finding enough retail tenants to fill Phase II.
ChesterfieldKid's earlier post mentioned 809 spaces for parking in a 6 story garage, 176,xxx sq ft of new retail space, along with a 160 room hotel. I am hoping this hotel didn't get canned and actually gets built. 160 room hotel could equal a building taller than 6 floors. And I want to know about the two hotels (Hilton and Westin) proposed next to University Club towers. Are those going to be built?
^Yes, sorry. I meant to say that I'm not sure if the hotel is still in versus residential. The development plan does mention the 160 room hotel, but this could be swapped out for residential without a complete redesign of the project. I thought the original redevelopment agreement with Richmond Heights committed Pace to a certain amount of residential in Phase II, but I'll have to check.
The development plan says the hotel building would be 50% taller than the Phase 1 buildings, so probably 5 or 6 stories above the lobby.
The development plan says the hotel building would be 50% taller than the Phase 1 buildings, so probably 5 or 6 stories above the lobby.
I can understand to some degree why it might make sense to abandon the residential over retail model used in Blvd I. While that is a great location for retail development, it is pretty disconnected from any surrounding residential areas and the auto-centric design of surrounding areas leaves residents in the Blvd marooned.
That said, I fail to understand why the design couldn't be reworked to a basic office over retail model, maybe ever with a large office building occupying part of the site of Phase III, adding foot traffic and a major southern for the rest of the retail development. A strip mall is a underutilization of the space.
That said, I fail to understand why the design couldn't be reworked to a basic office over retail model, maybe ever with a large office building occupying part of the site of Phase III, adding foot traffic and a major southern for the rest of the retail development. A strip mall is a underutilization of the space.