Someone's bribes made it into the right pockets.
^ Politicians of all stripes were in on expanding the defense budget which should be passing both houses before the week is out, maybe by tonight Not only did the plane guys score you also had shipyards getting a boatload new ships beyond what the Navy desired as well. A pretty good breakdown on how congress added funds, planes, and ships beyond the POTUS request and Armed Forces by Politico.. As someone who works for a marine contractor you can see that the the Navy is going all in and accelerating work to rebuild/expand facilities on the Pacific side of things. Several multibillion dollar projects from West Coast to Hawaii/Pearl Harbor to Guam in the works.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/0 ... -up-523880
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/0 ... -up-523880
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As a military planner I welcome this unnecessary spending but don’t worry I’ll find a way to spend it as necessarily as possible
Funny how some celebrate planes the DoD didn't even ask for, but the Loop Trolley is the worst waste ever.
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At least the planes serve a useful function and will be utilized by the intended users. ducks at the incoming tomatoes being thrown my wayquincunx wrote: ↑Dec 08, 2021Funny how some celebrate planes the DoD didn't even ask for, but the Loop Trolley is the worst waste ever.
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Extend the Trolley out to 170 and up to McDonnell. Problem solved. To be completely fair, DoD plays some odd games where they don't request things they want because they know Congress will put them back in. That allows them to use the originally allocated money on the things that don't poll as well but which they really want anyway. That's what they Navy did with the F-18s by most accounts.quincunx wrote: ↑Dec 08, 2021Funny how some celebrate planes the DoD didn't even ask for, but the Loop Trolley is the worst waste ever
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Truly excellent news.
To tally it up, the STL line is now going to be producing orders for the F-15EX, the F/A-18E/F, and the T-7A concurrently, with future production of the MQ-25A at the under-construction BLV line. This is in addition to other parts & pieces here that have final assembly at other plants. What am I missing?
Also, has anyone heard anything new about the Next Generation Air Dominance program, the F/A-XX? Any hopes it'd be made here?
To tally it up, the STL line is now going to be producing orders for the F-15EX, the F/A-18E/F, and the T-7A concurrently, with future production of the MQ-25A at the under-construction BLV line. This is in addition to other parts & pieces here that have final assembly at other plants. What am I missing?
Also, has anyone heard anything new about the Next Generation Air Dominance program, the F/A-XX? Any hopes it'd be made here?
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If you didn’t want tomatoes thrown at you, you shouldn’t have been standing right next to the trolleyLaife Fulk wrote:At least the planes serve a useful function and will be utilized by the intended users. ducks at the incoming tomatoes being thrown my wayquincunx wrote: ↑Dec 08, 2021Funny how some celebrate planes the DoD didn't even ask for, but the Loop Trolley is the worst waste ever.
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Fair, but it wasn't nice of you to bring a full sized pumpkin to throw. That one hurt.
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Las thing I saw was some months back; just concept art and a little reporting on the tech behind the fast development cycle. It's supposed to have longer range and payload than the F-35 and greater stealth than the F-15EX. I expect it will have two motors. The art is . . . inconsistent, to say the least. There may well be two, or possible even three test beds flying. I have to expect Boeing has as good a shot as anyone, as the T-7 served as a real-world demonstration that the design methodology can work.gone corporate wrote: ↑Dec 08, 2021Also, has anyone heard anything new about the Next Generation Air Dominance program, the F/A-XX? Any hopes it'd be made here?
(The agile/fast/something something techy acronym technique.) If anyone knows anything they can legally admit I'd love to hear it, but it may be a while. On the other hand, if the air kids want it as fast as they say it'll have to hit the budget soon, so I expect they can't keep it under the blanket terribly much longer.
No, seriously the E/F is the most useless fighter for the Navy. The Navy would rather take the money and seriously start the NGAD program. Boeing wouldn't even take that much of a hit in the near term assuming they can ramp up the T-7 production.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Dec 08, 2021Extend the Trolley out to 170 and up to McDonnell. Problem solved. To be completely fair, DoD plays some odd games where they don't request things they want because they know Congress will put them back in. That allows them to use the originally allocated money on the things that don't poll as well but which they really want anyway. That's what they Navy did with the F-18s by most accounts.quincunx wrote: ↑Dec 08, 2021Funny how some celebrate planes the DoD didn't even ask for, but the Loop Trolley is the worst waste ever
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Built to Lie A new book about the Boeing 737 MAX disaster exposes the company’s allergy to the truth.
https://prospect.org/culture/books/built-to-lie-boeing-737-max-disaster-robison/
https://prospect.org/culture/books/built-to-lie-boeing-737-max-disaster-robison/
Has anyone watched "The Case Against Boeing" on Netflix? It makes McDonnell Douglas look absolutely terrible. Wondering if anyone here has any thoughts / input on culture at McDonnell Douglas just before the merger.
I am watching it tonight. In any case, the beating of the drums of war in Eastern Europe is certainly good news for the region's economy
I was just surprised that MD leadership somehow got high spots in Boeing. Usually the company getting bought doesn’t fare that well.aprice wrote: ↑Feb 21, 2022Has anyone watched "The Case Against Boeing" on Netflix? It makes McDonnell Douglas look absolutely terrible. Wondering if anyone here has any thoughts / input on culture at McDonnell Douglas just before the merger.
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^A fair few of the highest ups at Centene these days, including the CFO, are former Wellcare folks. The same thing happened at Monsanto when they bought Searle.
^^I haven't watched it yet. I kind of figure it's going to be a hit job. I won't say Boeing is innocent, but I also suspect they're not the demons people sometimes make them out to be. Honestly, I figure they're pretty much identical to Airbus. Everyone working there has doubtless spent some time in the passenger seat of a Boeing product. I'll happily ride a Max. Especially now. But I won't be flying Lion Air or Ethiopian just yet. Ask me in fifteen years or so and I might reconsider.
^^I haven't watched it yet. I kind of figure it's going to be a hit job. I won't say Boeing is innocent, but I also suspect they're not the demons people sometimes make them out to be. Honestly, I figure they're pretty much identical to Airbus. Everyone working there has doubtless spent some time in the passenger seat of a Boeing product. I'll happily ride a Max. Especially now. But I won't be flying Lion Air or Ethiopian just yet. Ask me in fifteen years or so and I might reconsider.
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If the doc is correct, Ethiopian pilots figured out it was the MCAS and turned it off but the plane still crashed because Boeing lied that turning it off would fix the issue. The documents presented are pretty damning. In most countries a long list of people would be going to prison.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Feb 22, 2022^A fair few of the highest ups at Centene these days, including the CFO, are former Wellcare folks. The same thing happened at Monsanto when they bought Searle.
^^I haven't watched it yet. I kind of figure it's going to be a hit job. I won't say Boeing is innocent, but I also suspect they're not the demons people sometimes make them out to be. Honestly, I figure they're pretty much identical to Airbus. Everyone working there has doubtless spent some time in the passenger seat of a Boeing product. I'll happily ride a Max. Especially now. But I won't be flying Lion Air or Ethiopian just yet. Ask me in fifteen years or so and I might reconsider.
Boeing PR strategy was to blame foreign pilots but that fell apart when the Lion air pilot was trained in the US and as I said Ethiopian followed all the steps Boeing told them to follow.
Curious, what was said about MD?aprice wrote: ↑Feb 21, 2022Has anyone watched "The Case Against Boeing" on Netflix? It makes McDonnell Douglas look absolutely terrible. Wondering if anyone here has any thoughts / input on culture at McDonnell Douglas just before the merger.
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That MD quickly took control of Boeing and put profits over safety.
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People blaming crashes in the late 2010s on a 1987 merger? Lol
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1997 merger and when you consider how long it takes to develop a plane, yeah the timeline works
I thought it was good it was skewed against Boeing but it isn’t like I have sympathy for them.
I thought the American pilots thoughts were probably the most interesting. I hadn’t realized no one even had heard of MCAS before the first crash. So it’s hard for me to put any of the blame on that one on anyone besides Boeing.
2nd crash I could spread blame around more. They didn’t mention in the doc that the plane had been having issues on the previous flight and no one did anything about it or told the next crew. So I put some on the airline. FAA probably should have already grounded it anyway after their risk assessment so I put some on them also for the plane even flying. This is assuming all airlines even foreign would have followed the guidance.
There was more background info given that I wasn’t aware of in the movie. Like I said it’s a little one sided but everything said was backed up by evidence.
I thought the American pilots thoughts were probably the most interesting. I hadn’t realized no one even had heard of MCAS before the first crash. So it’s hard for me to put any of the blame on that one on anyone besides Boeing.
2nd crash I could spread blame around more. They didn’t mention in the doc that the plane had been having issues on the previous flight and no one did anything about it or told the next crew. So I put some on the airline. FAA probably should have already grounded it anyway after their risk assessment so I put some on them also for the plane even flying. This is assuming all airlines even foreign would have followed the guidance.
There was more background info given that I wasn’t aware of in the movie. Like I said it’s a little one sided but everything said was backed up by evidence.
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Germany has decided to go with the F-35 instead of the St.Louis made F-18.
