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Chalupas54 wrote: ↑

Apr 30, 2018

I don’t see people being shot at those events. You also don’t typically have shootings in Wrigleyville. What happened at BPV was a tragic lapse of security that will wound the city severely. The fact that Lyda, the CVB, and the metro Police are not out here giving pressers is unacceptable. Have any of you scrolled the FB and Twitter reactions to this? It’s horrible. Downtown is not the only one taking a hit from this. St Louis as a whole will have a nice black eye for a while.

You also don't typically see it happening at Ballpark Village either.

The twitter mob is going to uproar about anything like this, it obviously is going to ramp up a bit, that's how it works now. I don't believe it is going to make much of an impact on downtown once the next news story comes out. Someone got shot after a Cards game a few years ago and it didn't change much. Anyone on twitter/facebook that is saying they aren't coming downtown, wasn't coming downtown in the first place. I can't imagine there is anyone that is going to quit coming to Cardinals games or like events downtown because of this, unless it keeps happening.

Chalupas54 wrote: ↑

Apr 30, 2018

americancitizen wrote: ↑

Apr 30, 2018

How badly was Vegas or the concert industry in general hurt by that domestic terrorist shooting over 500 people and killing almost 60 in a truly random act of appalling violence. I'm not asking rhetorically, I'm asking in earnest?

I believe this incident - while so very disgusting - speaks more to the BS gun/anger culture prevalent in America today and less about downtown or BPV IMO. Not a random incident. Absolutely pathetic nonetheless but in today's environment could really have happened anywhere. Which I guess speaks to a much larger problem in America today to which there is a grave lack of leadership and demand for solutions from everyone on. Its not going to get better until significant structural changes in American society get changed IMO.

Unfortunately, everyone is seeing this as a Downtown violence problem. Take one look at Facebook and Twitter. I’ve seen a lot of adverse STL bashing before, but this is by far the worst I’ve seen since Stockley. I genuinely am very concerned for BPV if the Cardinals don’t calm fears.


Responding to Dweebe, I currently live on the East Coast, I can say for a fact that Newark has way stronger security. Heavily armed police are constantly visible and bag searches are everywhere. It works. Newark has a very grim vibe, but it feels safe with the heavy police presence.

More or less, my beef with St Louis is that something isn’t working. What sets this BPV incident apart, is that this wasn’t an unavoidable terrorist incident or mass shooting attack. This could and should have been stopped. I’ve seen extensive complaints on social media of St Louis Police ‘not doing anything’ in these instances. Valid or not, these are real perceptions St Louisans have and it’s horrible.

I don't disagree that the general perceptions and reactions - particularly one day after the incident - are likely extremely negative particularly from the particular segments of the metro population, and especially on social media (didn't even read the comments section on STLtoday but I can imagine it for sure). Its not a good thing in every possible way no matter what your perspective on downtown is heretofore and I recognize that. And of course, perception shapes everyone's reality to a significant degree.

I think everyone would agree that nobody needs to be carrying a gun at Ballpark Village and poor security allowed that to happen with disastrous results. Personally I don't see why anyone needs to carry guns except for hunting, sport shooting, etc but I'm not getting into that discussion, just my own personal opinion. Its also quite puzzling that the shooter got away from a place like that....and that warrants intense inquiry and criticism. Short of major structural changes to society I guess a big increase security in specific places is the answer for now but that really doesn't solve the issues that cause incidents like this to happen. I would guess that will occur at BPV but that's just a band aid topical solution to a much much larger problem in my view.

DogtownBnR wrote:Anyone know what “event” BPV/Bud Brewhouse was hosting tonight?
Just curious what event it was and if it would have warranted pat-downs or metal detectors. Was this a security oversight...

It was and Eat Drink Chill event hosted by BeFree STL. They had over 3600 rsvps. Violence tends to follow those types of large promoted events.




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Let's keep the posts related to the April 29 shooting in the Crime Thread so that we don't have two parallel conversations going.

Some reason this feels awkward with me visiting the Arch & knowing how strict the security is to get in there i would have thought BPV would have been just as strict specially with the overall perception of downtown.. I do feel like this was a freak happening & could have happened anywhere.. This wouldn't keep me from patronizing downtown. My biggest concern is how much of an impact will this have on One Cardinal Way lease's.
I just think incidents like this are very rare

As of yesterday morning it appeared as though a base for a tower crane on the hotel portion of the project was being put into place. I will see if there is anymore movement later today.

newstl2020 wrote:As of yesterday morning it appeared as though a base for a tower crane on the hotel portion of the project was being put into place. I will see if there is anymore movement later today.

If it was black, it is on the Apartment Tower side now.

^It's missing the roof structure.

Nothing like a sweep of the Cubs, a first place standing, and some nice weather to keep the place hopping.

Looks like they're clearing out that last unoccupied area next to The Fudgery. I remember seeing rumors of Shake Shack or Wahlburger going in there. Does anyone have any information as to what they might be putting in there?

Couldn't find a definitive answer, but an article from 10/22/17 in stltoday stated Wahlburgers was in negotiations to put a restaurant in BPV.

"Wahlburgers, the burger chain owned by actor Mark Wahlberg and his family, is in negotiations to fill space in the existing Ballpark Village structure that opened in 2014, according to bond documents."

DeeMoss wrote: ↑

May 10, 2018

Looks like they're clearing out that last unoccupied area next to The Fudgery. I remember seeing rumors of Shake Shack or Wahlburger going in there. Does anyone have any information as to what they might be putting in there?

Pretty sure it was a Wahlburger that was expected to join BPV

A Kevlar Vest outlet store is going in.

whitherSTL wrote:A Kevlar Vest outlet store is going in.

Good one.

Check out this long exposure photo of BPV



https://www.facebook.com/groups/Vintage ... 437303705/

chriss752 wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2018

pattimagee wrote:Wow - that's incredible. I would assume 91 out of the 297 total right?

Yes. Francine at the Leasing Office today told me that 91 are leased (which is equal to 36% of the total building). I asked her about a second residential tower and she answered, “we are going to wait and see how 300 South Broadway goes in terms of leasing but I expect it to go fast because of how the rental rates differ between the two”.

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison, but I read today that 2 Light (in KC) has 55% of its units leased (they just opened). Certainly not a bad start for them but it seems promising that One Cardinal Way is already at 36% given the similarities between the two districts. I would expect that some of the Cardinal players will lease here as well once it opens, though I wouldn't think any would pre-lease since you can be traded in an instant.

^ I think we will be seeing a 2nd tower announcement before One Cardinal Way is even finished.

Any thoughts on how the new opportunity zone designation will impact BPV and/or other Downtown projects? Will likely make RX a more attractive investment.

goat314 wrote: ↑

May 28, 2018

^ I think we will be seeing a 2nd tower announcement before One Cardinal Way is even finished.

I would think so too since the twocardinalway.com domain has been bought. Cordish uses GoDaddy for their websites and this one comes from GoDaddy but has been bought.

goat314 wrote: ↑

May 28, 2018

^ I think we will be seeing a 2nd tower announcement before One Cardinal Way is even finished.

My take is the second tower will be S Broadway tower and not as optimistic on 2nd BPV residential tower without some major employment gains downtown. Which could very well happen if tenant(s) can start refilling ATT one center and if we see Cupples X & another BPV office tower move forward.