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Article: Public look @ Hwy 40 plan - Post-Dispatch

Article: Public look @ Hwy 40 plan - Post-Dispatch

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PostApr 14, 2005#1

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Public gets its first look at Highway 40 plan

BY SHANE GRABER

Of the Post-Dispatch

04/13/2005



When highway workers broke ground on Highway 40 back in the 1930s, they envisioned a state-of-the-art system that one day would handle thousands of cars zipping down the road at 30, maybe even 45, mph.



But traffic, as white-knuckled commuters gritting their way through rush hour now know, changed. And quickly, too.



Now 150,000 commuters use the highway every day. They crash often, too. There were 1,108 wrecks on Highway 40 in 2002, nearly eight times more than the statewide average on similar highways.



Engineers call the highway "functionally obsolete." Entrance and exit ramps are too short. Hills don't let drivers see far enough ahead. Some art deco bridges are considered historic. So are the chunks that fall from them.



The Missouri Department of Transportation, though, now has a vision for the most-traveled east-west route in the region. Officials have chosen a reconstruction plan that is supposed to make for a modern, safer stretch of interstate. The plan, based on what is called an environmental impact statement, will be released today.



The project will cost at least $552 million but could go as high as $787 million. The more of the work that's funded up front, the cheaper the cost will be.



The federal government is expected to provide at least 80 percent of the funding. Some parts, such as bridges, might be eligible for up to 90 percent. The state will pay for the rest.



Based on the money available, the Highway Department will either start building at one location or work on several at a time.



Highway 40 officially got a name change in 1988 to Interstate 64, although motorists have been reluctant to adopt the new title. Highway officials hope St. Louisans give the new highway plan a warmer reception.



From 4 to 8 p.m. today, transportation officials will hold an open house at Maplewood-Richmond Heights High School, 7539 Manchester Avenue. A presentation is scheduled for 5:30.



People have until May 20 to let the highway department know what they think. Officials then will draft a design, buy the necessary property, finalize the plans and start building.



Related link: The New I-64

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PostApr 14, 2005#2

On the whole, this is one of the better ones MODOT seems to have come up with. Its good they are sticking with the art deco style, though i would prefer the green girders underneath to the black or brown ones.

The things i don't like... roundabout at the Spoede road interchange. I swear most drivers are not smart enough to use them, or at least don't use their turn signal enough.

I don't like all of the sound barriers. Driving between Ballas and Brentwood on highway 4o is really pleasant, with all of the green. Seems like so few urban highways have that pleasant landscaping anymore. And MODOT's solution is to hide it all behind some concrete. How sterile and boring, driving down that road stuck in traffic. At least in the summer the scenery is nice. Now... nope...

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PostApr 14, 2005#3

This project is a long time coming, hopefully MoDOT can get all their ducks in a row and get started in the next couple years. This could be the first design-build project in Missouri as well. If not, look for the Kingshighway/I-64 interchange east to Tower Grove to be the first section to be rebuilt, followed by the Brentwood/I-170 mess.



I like roundabouts, they are much safer than signalized intersections because they reduce the number of conflicts with other cars(i.e. left turns) I wish there were more of them, but on this project I think it is on Spoede only. People here will get used to them. Also, the purpose of soundwalls is for residents near the highway to not hear all the noise. I don't know how many people live near the Hwy 40 now, but I'm sure it's loud. I live a quarter mile from I-70 and it can get loud depending on the wind direction.



Other good aspects are the pedestrian bridges/tunnels from the south to Forest Park and the hospitals on Kingshighway. Unfortunely, this project will take some peoples houses out, which I'm not a huge fan of.



All I know is it will be a major pain in the rear to drive Hwy 40 during reconstruction especially if it is only two lanes each direction. Any bets as when this will start? I say 2009.



The following link is direct to the Final Environmental Impact Statement, scroll down to see some before/after pictures or interchange designs.



FINAL EIS LINK

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PostApr 14, 2005#4

Overall it looks great.

A tunnel to Forest Park if designed to be open, airy, aesthically pleasing, and enviting would worl better than any pedestrian overpass. I think overpasses are hardly used if ever.



Yea!!! The feds are funding 80% and up on this one. How did we get that lucky? Built 1930/40s and never redone.



This will hopefully help Metrolink's ridership on the cross county line when the highway is being built. I hope no extra lanes are being added because that invites more use and more congestion.

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PostApr 14, 2005#5

The highway will be 4 lanes in each direction now all the way down too I-170.

Tunnles? I am not sure how much they would be used, but then again you have a point that the bridges are not used much anyway.

Just a difference of opnion on how drivers respond to round abouts. In situations like this, where most of the traffic entering and exiting 40 will not cause a constant string of traffic to block the other intersections, the roundabout may work. However MODOT has also proposed one for the Khers Mill CLayton road intersection, where I think it will fail because the stream of traffic on Clayton will make it very difficult for Khers Mill drivers to cross or turn left.



As for the sound wall, I understand why MODOT puts them up: sound mitigation, however i do not understand why if the highway can currently function without them, more design could not be done to try and effectivly mitigate the sound without simply walling off the highway after the expansion.

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PostApr 14, 2005#6

It'll always be HIGHWAY FARTY to a real St. Louisan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PostApr 14, 2005#7

I don't think that roundabouts should be used everywhere. The Kehrs Mill/Clayton roundabout got shot down due to the large amount of right of way it would take up as well of a lack of public support so don't worry.



I'm not from St. Louis so down with 40!! :wink:

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PostApr 15, 2005#8

I am from St. Louis, and I say down with FARTY too. And Forty.

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PostApr 26, 2005#9

I think they should just reroute one end of 40 so that it curves around and meets with 44 as it approaches the city. It would make for a larger, less separated downtown and would open up a wealth of open space to renovate, rebuild, etc.



Wishful thinking I guess.

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PostApr 26, 2005#10

Why aren't the freeways in Missouri lit well? I never understood this. There are a lot of really dark curves. Tourists and out of towners can very easily get confused, or crash into something. I thought it was standard for urban freeways to be lit.




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PostApr 27, 2005#11

The city lights their stretches, but the county and other areas only light the ramps and areas before and after.

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PostApr 27, 2005#12

Yeah, but freeways are well lit in many urban suburbs as well. See how there is a nice pattern on the freeway above? You don't see that often in St Louis.



This is Chicago.





This is St Louis. I see one light.


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PostApr 27, 2005#13

JMedwick wrote:The highway will be 4 lanes in each direction now all the way down too I-170.


It will actuallly connect the four lane segment at spoede road to the four lane segemnt at Hampton....



As for the sound wall, I understand why MODOT puts them up: sound mitigation, however i do not understand why if the highway can currently function without them, more design could not be done to try and effectivly mitigate the sound without simply walling off the highway after the expansion.


I live probably about a third of a mile away from the highway and when you go outside, its pretty loud. I;m used toi it, but I can see how a barrier would enhance the individual properties themselves. I think I remember someone saying something about how nice it is to drive through the RH, Ladue, Frontenac area....I bet everyone forgets about that greenway, just like south 270, and that they would rather their yards be pleasant, not the drive...no NIMBYs on this one I think...



I just hope its a decent looking walll, unlike that one on 170 past page, that thing sucks...[/quote]

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PostApr 27, 2005#14

TheWayoftheArch wrote:
JMedwick wrote:The highway will be 4 lanes in each direction now all the way down too I-170.


It will actuallly connect the four lane segment at spoede road to the four lane segemnt at Hampton....




No, it will be 4 lanes west of I-170 and 3 lanes west of Skinker to I-170.



From the EIS:



Capacity ? Increase roadway capacity by adding one lane each direction between I-170

and Spoede Road to improve the general operating conditions of this section of I-64.

Improve the operating characteristics of travel between I-170 and Tower Grove Avenue

without increasing the number of mainline lanes on I-64. Consistent with the 1997 Major

Transportation Investment Analysis (MTIA), additional lanes are not being considered

east of I-170 because the potential impact to the adjacent communities and destinations

is considered too great. Improved traffic flow in this section of I-64 would be realized

through improvements in the roadway standards and Transportation System

Management (TSM) operations.

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PostApr 27, 2005#15

MO taxes less, and therefore provides less like no lighting.

That will be difficult to change when the state is dominated by interests that want a very limited government.