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PostMar 05, 2009#726

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DOGTOWNB&R wrote:AB-INBEV profits fall 95% this quarter....:evil:





http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument


What's the over/under on how long before InBev pulls a Daimler-Benz and unloads A-B?


I've been saying 5 years all along.


I'll take the under on that.

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PostMar 05, 2009#727

Interesting comparison I heard yesterday on one of the news channels. AB was purchased for 53 billion. Right now, the stock price for GE would put that company worth roughly 60 billion. (not saying it could be had for that).

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PostMar 06, 2009#729

I have a feeling this company is now too large, and destined to fail.



I'm very curious how successful these mega mergers are. Anecdotally speaking, they never seem to offer the kind of synergies and cost savings the acquiring company, especially the CEO, promises. I tend to think they're more ego and stock market pressure driven than rational, intelligent business decisions.

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PostMar 06, 2009#730



Good move for the US. You sound like you are complaining. Why?

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PostMar 06, 2009#731

^ No complaints- it's just a wait and see attitude.



There's no cause to worry yet, as this move doesn't really change anything, but obviously I'd hate for St. Louis to get the shaft. From the Bloomberg article:


The New York office will handle day-to-day management of the U.S. business, spokeswoman Marianne Amssoms said in an e- mailed statement yesterday. “Leuven is and will remain home to our global headquarters, center of strategic decision-making and primary office,” she said.


Now I suppose St. Louis will remain the NA headquarters for Anheuser-Busch, Inc., i.e. Budweiser and all A-B associated brands. But what relevance will St. Louis have when the shots are called in New York and Leuven remains the company's global headquarters? Like I said, I think there's no legitimate reason to worry at this point, but if the company cannot ultimately deliver the cost savings that made the deal attractive in the first place, what happens to the commitment to St. Louis?

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PostMar 06, 2009#732

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dweebe wrote:I've noticed a change at Blues games. A couple of years ago the pretty much the only thing you could find in the Savvis/Scottrade Center was Bud/Bud Light/Bud Select. I think they would have one Miller/Coors stand on each level when certain teams visited.



Now this season they have a Guinness/Smithwicks stand, an import beer stand, a Schlafly stand and most of the portable stands carry A-B along with Miller/Coors. Maybe it's the management change: but I think peoples tastes and opions have also changed.



Now all they need is a Canadian beer stand (Molson, Moosehead, Labbatt)

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I think most of this is an initiative of management for standard product diversification, as opposed to backlash consumer sentiments. Either way, though, I'm glad for the option to be drinking quality stouts at games.


True for most of the beers listed. But IMHO the growth of Miller Lite and Coors is a different story and a direct result of people turning their back on InBev.

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ThreeOneFour wrote:^ No complaints- it's just a wait and see attitude.



There's no cause to worry yet, as this move doesn't really change anything, but obviously I'd hate for St. Louis to get the shaft. From the Bloomberg article:


The New York office will handle day-to-day management of the U.S. business, spokeswoman Marianne Amssoms said in an e- mailed statement yesterday. “Leuven is and will remain home to our global headquarters, center of strategic decision-making and primary office,” she said.


Now I suppose St. Louis will remain the NA headquarters for Anheuser-Busch, Inc., i.e. Budweiser and all A-B associated brands. But what relevance will St. Louis have when the shots are called in New York and Leuven remains the company's global headquarters? Like I said, I think there's no legitimate reason to worry at this point, but if the company cannot ultimately deliver the cost savings that made the deal attractive in the first place, what happens to the commitment to St. Louis?




FWIW
She also reiterated that St. Louis will remain the brewer’s North American headquarters and that the establishment of the New York office “does not affect St. Louis.”

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Now I suppose St. Louis will remain the NA headquarters for Anheuser-Busch, Inc., i.e. Budweiser and all A-B associated brands. But what relevance will St. Louis have when the shots are called in New York and Leuven remains the company's global headquarters? Like I said, I think there's no legitimate reason to worry at this point, but if the company cannot ultimately deliver the cost savings that made the deal attractive in the first place, what happens to the commitment to St. Louis?


I would have to think, knowing how 'cost conscience' ABinbev is, that they would have to see the cost savings in utilizing a nice office complex in St. Louis, that they already own, versus spending the money to rent space in NYC for a NA or world headquarters. For some reason, at this point, they seem committed to keeping their world HQ in Belgium, even though the cost of everything there, is much higher. It seems to me that it would be crazy for the penny pinchers to not utilize what they already have, especially here is STL and in Belgium. At this point, the NYC office, seems as more of an 'inbetween'. Let's hope it stays that way.

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PostMar 06, 2009#735

Cost of performing an RIF (reduction in force) in Europe is typically prohibitive. I'm not sure on belgian labor laws, but most other European countries have ridiculous closing and severance requirements.



Plus the "appeal" of being a Belgian brewer must add some lustre to a lackluster company.

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Plus the "appeal" of being a Belgian brewer must add some lustre to a lackluster company.


Good point!


I'm not sure on belgian labor laws, but most other European countries have ridiculous closing and severance requirements.


There might be some prohibitive laws there, but you have to consider the cost savings in printing out pink slips, utilizing both sides of the paper. That has to amount to some savings... :lol:

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PostMar 06, 2009#737

Moorlander wrote:FWIW
She also reiterated that St. Louis will remain the brewer’s North American headquarters and that the establishment of the New York office “does not affect St. Louis.”


It's worth nothing. If ABI wants to pay less in taxes for its operations for Soulard, the City should be demanding a change in this HQ arrangement.

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PostMar 06, 2009#738

dweebe wrote:
Gone Corporate wrote:
dweebe wrote:I've noticed a change at Blues games. A couple of years ago the pretty much the only thing you could find in the Savvis/Scottrade Center was Bud/Bud Light/Bud Select. I think they would have one Miller/Coors stand on each level when certain teams visited.



Now this season they have a Guinness/Smithwicks stand, an import beer stand, a Schlafly stand and most of the portable stands carry A-B along with Miller/Coors. Maybe it's the management change: but I think peoples tastes and opions have also changed.



Now all they need is a Canadian beer stand (Molson, Moosehead, Labbatt)

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I think most of this is an initiative of management for standard product diversification, as opposed to backlash consumer sentiments. Either way, though, I'm glad for the option to be drinking quality stouts at games.


True for most of the beers listed. But IMHO the growth of Miller Lite and Coors is a different story and a direct result of people turning their back on InBev.


I'd wager that 99% of those people switched to Miller and Coors because they "won't drink no foreign beer".



Morons.

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PostMar 06, 2009#739

Moorlander wrote:
ThreeOneFour wrote:^ No complaints- it's just a wait and see attitude.



There's no cause to worry yet, as this move doesn't really change anything, but obviously I'd hate for St. Louis to get the shaft. From the Bloomberg article:


The New York office will handle day-to-day management of the U.S. business, spokeswoman Marianne Amssoms said in an e- mailed statement yesterday. “Leuven is and will remain home to our global headquarters, center of strategic decision-making and primary office,” she said.


Now I suppose St. Louis will remain the NA headquarters for Anheuser-Busch, Inc., i.e. Budweiser and all A-B associated brands. But what relevance will St. Louis have when the shots are called in New York and Leuven remains the company's global headquarters? Like I said, I think there's no legitimate reason to worry at this point, but if the company cannot ultimately deliver the cost savings that made the deal attractive in the first place, what happens to the commitment to St. Louis?




FWIW
She also reiterated that St. Louis will remain the brewer’s North American headquarters and that the establishment of the New York office “does not affect St. Louis.”


I don't believe these promises. Remember when Macy's said it would keep their Midwest operations in STL several years ago and then they close it and merge it with their South operations out of Atlanta? Now they got rid of the divisions. However, they operate both in Cincy and NYC.



I think AB-InBEV will eventually move the NA HQ operations from here to NYC. :?

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PostMar 06, 2009#740

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
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Gone Corporate wrote: I think most of this is an initiative of management for standard product diversification, as opposed to backlash consumer sentiments. Either way, though, I'm glad for the option to be drinking quality stouts at games.


True for most of the beers listed. But IMHO the growth of Miller Lite and Coors is a different story and a direct result of people turning their back on InBev.


I'd wager that 99% of those people switched to Miller and Coors because they "won't drink no foreign beer".



Morons.


You mean like Blue Moon and Killians? (Which are made by Coors.)

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PostMar 06, 2009#741

No one asked, but I stick with Schlafly and New Belgium Brewery.

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PostMar 06, 2009#742

^ I love me some New Belgium. Gotta love a brewery powered by renewable energy, plus it's located in my home state. Additionally, I heard the founder speak at my brother's college graduation a couple years ago; her address was fantastic. I support them whenever possible.



And all local microbreweries deserve our support.

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PostMar 06, 2009#743

Grover wrote:No one asked, but I stick with Schlafly and New Belgium Brewery.


I stick with the following, in no particular order:



Schlafly, O'Fallon, Square One, Mattingly, Buffalo, New Belgium.



New Belgium has such a nice brewery - the people are super friendly and I've never been treated so well. I want to go back.

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PostApr 08, 2009#744

Anheuser-Busch led sports marketers in ‘08. Again.



I wonder how long this will last? The 2008 figures were likely already on the books before the takeover. It may take a few years for INBEV to really get it's claws into AB, but I would love to see where these figures are in 5 years. I can't imagine they'd keep pace with AB's past spending habits. We will see!



http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/lager- ... -08-again/

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PostApr 16, 2009#745

Well, the 120 day payment terms are starting to backfire.



http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/busine ... enDocument




In spat, Emerson boycotts A-B beer

By Jeremiah McWilliams

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

04/16/2009



One of the St. Louis area's largest companies apparently has had enough with what it perceives as rough treatment by Anheuser-Busch.



Emerson, the Ferguson-based manufacturer of cooling equipment, appliances and tools, plans to boycott A-B products to protest stingier payment policies and what Emerson claims are A-B's cutbacks in funding for local nonprofit groups.



According to an internal memo sent to Emerson's business leaders on Tuesday, Emerson will no longer purchase Anheuser-Busch InBev products for its world headquarters, Winfield Conference Center, company aircraft, or its suites at Busch Stadium, Scottrade Center or Edward Jones Dome. The policy is effective immediately.



"With the InBev acquisition of Anheuser-Busch we have seen negative things happening in the St. Louis community and in regard to Emerson doing business with InBev," according to the memo. "InBev payment terms with Emerson have now been stipulated as 120 days — take it or leave it!"


It seems like A-B still has the upper hand in this, assuming that the work Emerson does for A-B is worth a lot more than the contracts for beer in Emerson's ballpark suites and corporate jets.



Then again, maybe A-B will become one of those companies that make such unreasonable demands of their vendors that sometimes turning them down is the best option (see Snapper, who made the right move against Wal-Mart).

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PostApr 17, 2009#746

Good for Emerson. One hundred twenty days is ridiculous.

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PostApr 22, 2009#747

The head of AB in China, Y.R. Cheng, has resigned after 15 years for "personal reasons".

Source: http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/lager- ... s-resigns/



When the AB buyout took place, I earnestly believed it was for AB's foothold in China as a first mover to the market, potentially the world's largest untapped (no pun) market for new beer drinkers, as Chinese people normally drink hard liquor and not malted hops. The successes of the Budweiser brewery in Wuhan, as well as the acquisitions of the Tsingtao and Harbin breweries, made AB primed to be #1 there, and I believe from this came the takeover. Now, the veteran director calls it quits. I don't know why, but it surely can't be part of what InBev had in mind when they bid $70/share.

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PostMay 09, 2009#748

Is SLDC thinking ahead on this one...or do we have another urban planning meltdown in the making? Corporate promises are empty by their very nature. InBev is going to maintain their 'commitment' to St. Louis until it is economically unfavorable to do so. Establishing a presence in NYC near other brewers is a smart competitive move. The St. Louis operation will slowly (if we're lucky) diminish in importance and will become a financial burden to InBev (old buildings, high maintenance, inefficient production layout - none of these help). The St. Louis operation *will* be abandoned. It's just a matter of time.



So, rather than stand around worrying incessantly about the inevitable march of progress, we should be looking forward. More importantly, SLDC should be looking forward. What are we going to do with that place once the ReMax sign goes up? It's a tremendous facility and the health of that property could make or break this area of the city. We already live in the shadow of the omniously underdeveloped Lemp complex. Let's go into this next major urban transition with our eyes open and a plan in place. Preferably one that doesn't involve bungled sports-complex deals. Two is enough.



So what to do with the place then? The 'village' concept might work - retail and residential but I think the conversion expense would be too great and returns too small. Something less glamorous is more likely - like a major transportation hub. It's only a stone's throw away from several major highways and has a tremendous amount of storage. Maybe we could tie it into the rumored possibility of Chinese investment?



Or, and this won't be popular here, we could be practical (as opposed to sentimental) and raze the place. It is, after all, a hodge-podge of old brick buildings which probably won't serve well beyond what they were originally cobbled together for.



Just sayin.

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PostMay 09, 2009#749

^ Ok...

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PostMay 09, 2009#750

JasonBlack wrote:Is SLDC thinking ahead on this one...or do we have another urban planning meltdown in the making? Corporate promises are empty by their very nature. InBev is going to maintain their 'commitment' to St. Louis until it is economically unfavorable to do so. Establishing a presence in NYC near other brewers is a smart competitive move. The St. Louis operation will slowly (if we're lucky) diminish in importance and will become a financial burden to InBev (old buildings, high maintenance, inefficient production layout - none of these help). The St. Louis operation *will* be abandoned. It's just a matter of time.



So, rather than stand around worrying incessantly about the inevitable march of progress, we should be looking forward. More importantly, SLDC should be looking forward. What are we going to do with that place once the ReMax sign goes up? It's a tremendous facility and the health of that property could make or break this area of the city. We already live in the shadow of the omniously underdeveloped Lemp complex. Let's go into this next major urban transition with our eyes open and a plan in place. Preferably one that doesn't involve bungled sports-complex deals. Two is enough.



So what to do with the place then? The 'village' concept might work - retail and residential but I think the conversion expense would be too great and returns too small. Something less glamorous is more likely - like a major transportation hub. It's only a stone's throw away from several major highways and has a tremendous amount of storage. Maybe we could tie it into the rumored possibility of Chinese investment?



Or, and this won't be popular here, we could be practical (as opposed to sentimental) and raze the place. It is, after all, a hodge-podge of old brick buildings which probably won't serve well beyond what they were originally cobbled together for.



Just sayin.


Just to be clear, you're saying that InBev (really ABI) is going to abandon their existing, largest, flagship brewery, and rebuild it all in NYC, on some of the most expensive real estate in the world?



Okee Dokee. :roll:

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