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PostSep 05, 2019#26

I think we also need more detail on the “unlocked potential” proponents elude to.

What would change at the airport strategically and operationally to make it more successful than what it is today? Land/development rights? Different partnerships with airlines? I want to see the cold hard cash AND the direct value on the airport service.

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PostSep 05, 2019#27

We have to accept that we don't have enough information to know everything, and that we never will. 

That Post-Dispatch op-ed focused strictly on how people who do consulting with government entities usually have worked previously for a government entity, and that they usually have an affiliation with a political party... In other breaking news, water is wet, and sometimes it falls from the sky. It said nothing about whether or not SJU is a better or worse airport. I'm glad sc4mayor posted it, especially as it (kind of) contributes to the region's knowledge of the process, but in the end it really didn't say much. That lies with the Post-Dispatch for publishing it in the first place. 

Any conversation needs to focus on key talking points: 
1. Will privatization lead to increased efficiencies and services? Will it attract new aeronautical service providers, i.e. passenger and cargo airlines? Most importantly, will it be able to operate more efficiently than it does today? 
2. How much would privatization pay the City? 
3. What oversight will the City have over the private operators? 

The most important thing to me is that whoever operates the airport will not be hindered by an outdated and shackling charter. I also really hope a private sector operator conducts their business with damn good profitability while the City recognizes proper value from the private operator's actions to increase the airport's efficiencies while increasing total aeronautical operations. And dammit, I want 777X flights to Heathrow... We can't look at this as one side has to win and the other has to lose. It has to be a mutual win. 

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PostSep 11, 2019#28

I understand that it makes sense to alter the airport's charter, but why do we have to privatize the airport in order to change the charter? Can't the charter be changed without the airport being privatized? I really don't understand why does one imply the other.

And I have to agree with the general sentiment expressed above that, regardless of potential benefits, the entire process stinks. That was the sentiment that motivated me to create this thread in the first place. And I write this as someone who would personally and professionally benefit a lot from having direct flights to Europe
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/st ... lass-petty

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PostSep 11, 2019#29

Cara Spencer rocked it on a recent KTRS interview. (And whoever thinks the St. Louis accent is dead, just listen to Cara say “farward”)!

https://m.soundcloud.com/550ktrs/alderm ... -millhaven

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PostSep 11, 2019#30

I think there were a couple of questions that did cause Cara to falter a bit, but she presented a compelling case overall.  

I don't understand why McGraw is so convinced that Sinquefield's billionaire status means that he has no agenda when it comes to privatization other than helping the city.  Yes, giving $25,000 to CrimeStoppers and funding the chess hall of fame is extremely generous.  But if Sinquefield is so determined to help the city as McGraw seems to think, why not donate money to repaving streets or buying the STLMPD body cameras?  Surely those actions would have a far more immediate and profound effect on the region than getting rid of the income tax or privatizing the airport.

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PostSep 11, 2019#31

STL526 wrote:I think there were a couple of questions that did cause Cara to falter a bit, but she presented a compelling case overall.  

I don't understand why McGraw is so convinced that Sinquefield's billionaire status means that he has no agenda when it comes to privatization other than helping the city.  Yes, giving $25,000 to CrimeStoppers and funding the chess hall of fame is extremely generous.  But if Sinquefield is so determined to help the city as McGraw seems to think, why not donate money to repaving streets or buying the STLMPD body cameras?  Surely those actions would have a far more immediate and profound effect on the region than getting rid of the income tax or privatizing the airport.
I'm anti privatization of the airport but just because the guy is a billionaire doesn't make him inherently evil. Maybe he wants to do things that he thinks will improve the city, not the things that you think will improve it.  

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PostSep 11, 2019#32

^Exactly. I was talking to a friend who hates Everything Rex. He genuinely wondered why the guy was trying to hurt St. Louis. I explained to him that Rex LIKES St. Louis. He could live anywhere in the world, but he chose to come back here and devote his retirement to making it a better place. He just has different ideas of HOW to improve it. 

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PostSep 11, 2019#33

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Fair points!

I am afraid I am a stubborn pessimist for maintaining the belief that Sinquefield only gets involved with projects that are good for him and not necessarily best for the region.  But as pointed out, what I think is best for Saint Louis probably differs greatly from what he does.  I hope someday to be proven wrong and forced to eat my own words!

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PostSep 11, 2019#34

kipfilet wrote:I understand that it makes sense to alter the airport's charter, but why do we have to privatize the airport in order to change the charter? Can't the charter be changed without the airport being privatized? I really don't understand why does one imply the other.
If the airport's charter could be amended without having to attempt privatization, I'd be just as happy to see that done. Thing is, it never has been amended. The one guarantee that comes with privatization is the change of the charter. If the City (including the Board of Aldermen) would support an airport charter change, one that makes STL reasonably competitive and able to better operate as more than just a utility, then I bet you airport privatization wouldn't be that big a topic. Sure, there's the lure of a major cash drop into the City's coffers (and there's a lot that can be done with $2.5+ billion), but the big thing I want is the airport to not be handcuffed to outdated, shackling operating agreements. 

I honestly don't think it'll get done. For a privatization deal to pass, it must be approved - without amendment - by all companies that do business with the airport. If one airline, or one systems operator, or one shoe shine stand, doesn't like the proposal, then the whole deal can come undone. I just don't see something like 100 bells ringing at exactly the same time. Maybe, maybe it's the best thing for the airport and the region, I don't know. I just don't like the odds of seeing it achieve fruition. 

And Rex isn't the boogeyman. He's an orphaned kid who discovered passive investment management and changed Wall Street forever; who left SoCal for the CWE so he can do some good for STL. I disagree with him more strenuously on the validity of Modern Portfolio Theory than I do his methodologies towards help Saint Louis. And even where I don't like some of the things he supports, I am glad for all the good things he's done for the region. (and Cara gave a good interview, too)

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PostSep 11, 2019#35

And if you were the smallest company or had any form of contract with the airport, you'd be stupid to just agree without renegotiating terms that would benefit you.  If you're that shoe shine stand, ask for the moon and use your leverage.

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PostSep 11, 2019#36

gone corporate wrote:Sure, there's the lure of a major cash drop into the City's coffers (and there's a lot that can be done with $2.5+ billion), 
I would argue this IS the reason this entire process is happening. Certain city leaders want the payday for the city and anything with the airport has nothing to do with it. If that payday wasn't part of it then this entire process would not be happening. 

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gone corporate wrote:I honestly don't think it'll get done. For a privatization deal to pass, it must be approved - without amendment - by all companies that do business with the airport. If one airline, or one systems operator, or one shoe shine stand, doesn't like the proposal, then the whole deal can come undone. I just don't see something like 100 bells ringing at exactly the same time. Maybe, maybe it's the best thing for the airport and the region, I don't know. I just don't like the odds of seeing it achieve fruition. 
I don't think this is correct. Only half the airlines have to approve it, not all of them. I haven't seen anything that says any vendors have to approve anything. That is the entire reason they mostly giving year to year deals to them at this point so they can boot them all if privatization goes thru and rebid all their contracts. Most also have 30 day clauses where the airport can void any contract with 30 day notice. So it is hard for me to believe they have any say. 

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PostSep 12, 2019#38

jshank83 wrote: I don't think this is correct. Only half the airlines have to approve it, not all of them. 
God, that's sketchy. Didn't KC's airport need approval of every airline for the new terminal, yet STL wouldn't for this, despite privatization being practically as big of a change to the airport's fabric as a new terminal is to KC?

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PostSep 12, 2019#39

Trololzilla wrote:
jshank83 wrote: I don't think this is correct. Only half the airlines have to approve it, not all of them. 
God, that's sketchy. Didn't KC's airport need approval of every airline for the new terminal, yet STL wouldn't for this, despite privatization being practically as big of a change to the airport's fabric as a new terminal is to KC?
No, Spirit and Allegiant still haven't signed on to the new terminal at KC. I am not sure if Frontier has either. 

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PostSep 12, 2019#40

jshank83 wrote:
gone corporate wrote:Sure, there's the lure of a major cash drop into the City's coffers (and there's a lot that can be done with $2.5+ billion), 
I would argue this IS the reason this entire process is happening. Certain city leaders want the payday for the city and anything with the airport has nothing to do with it. If that payday wasn't part of it then this entire process would not be happening. 
Precisely.

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PostSep 17, 2019#41

An editorial from the PD on Airport Privatization:

https://www.stltoday.com/opinion/editor ... a85c9.html

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PostOct 05, 2019#42

A very deep and well researched dive into airport privatization by Jeannette Cooperman at St. Louis Magazine:

https://www.stlmag.com/news/should-the- ... bert-inte/

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PostOct 05, 2019#43

RFQ is out. There will be no public vote

https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... -03-01.pdf
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PostOct 05, 2019#44

If St. Louis did privatize the airport, and it went dreadfully awful, how hard would it be for them to reacquire it?

I'm guessing that it would be very, very difficult. 

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PostOct 05, 2019#45

I would say getting it back probably wouldn’t be as difficult as getting the back on the correct path if things go south

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PostOct 05, 2019#46

^ This. I believe there will be some sort of clause in the agreement that will allow for the city to take control if a private operator fails. Whether or not the city could rebuild the very real success it’s had over the last several years under city control is an open question.

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PostOct 05, 2019#47

Not sure what you mean by ‘getting it back.’ From my understanding, the city will always own the airport if that’s what you mean by getting it back. (Someone kinda close to the project said, IIRC, said the biggest misconception is that the city is selling the airport which can’t happen because the FAA does not allow a publicly owned airport to go into private ownership.)

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PostOct 06, 2019#48

As Shadrach noted, city will still own the airport.   The devil is in the details.  The question is what terms will be dictated in the lease if things go south and the city or those lease it want to terminate such lease.

Remember, the Rams got to buy their St. Louis practice facility for a buck because of what is written into a contract.   No different then a lease.   

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PostOct 06, 2019#49

^Yeah, I was just going to say, "please don't let the same jokers negotiate this lease as those who did the Rams lease".  

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PostNov 06, 2019#50

Lots of details here regarding the various groups that have interest in running Lambert:

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 933dc.html

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