6190 Delmar at Skinker

chriss752 · PostOct 28, 2019#12019-10-28T05:37+00:00

I was given some marketing materials that detail a new proposal at Delmar and Skinker.

Green Street is taking up this latest endeavor. It looks like a good project. 4000SF of retail space, 2nd-floor parking, and the remaining 4 floors being a hotel and/or apartments. The materials claim a Q2 2021 delivery but that doesn't seem likely in my opinion. I wasn't told who the architect was but I figured it out. Won't say though but what I will say is that this design is a little bit older. An updated design should be coming soon. I have no clue what the cost is or if Green Street will seek tax incentives for this project.

Certainly beats the Chase Bank or the Ferris Wheel proposal.

sc4mayor · PostOct 28, 2019#22019-10-28T13:36+00:00

^ That looks great as is. Looking forward to hearing more. Could be big!

RockChalkSTL · PostOct 28, 2019#32019-10-28T14:09+00:00

Maybe a Chase Bank goes on the ground floor....

quincunx · PostOct 28, 2019#42019-10-28T14:18+00:00

This would be great.

bwcrow1s · PostOct 28, 2019#52019-10-28T15:16+00:00

Very nice. I wish we could get corner buildings of this massing all over the area. Though you said the design isn't final, I think this is a pretty solid initial offering.

wabash · PostOct 28, 2019#62019-10-28T15:27+00:00

This is the kind of building (as well as the previous three story proposal from two years ago discussed in the East Loop Redevelopment thread) that this corner deserves.

dredger · PostOct 28, 2019#72019-10-28T18:29+00:00

Wow, I thought the Chase bank was a done deal and probably built already

GoHarvOrGoHome · PostOct 28, 2019#82019-10-28T18:32+00:00

This has been one of the most frustrating corners in the city but if this proposal gets built it will all be worth it

sc4mayor · PostOct 28, 2019#92019-10-28T18:37+00:00

dredger wrote: ↑
Oct 28, 2019
Wow, I thought the Chase bank was a done deal and probably built already

I was thinking about this too. I assumed the bank was going in, but then never heard anything else about it. Anyone know what happened with those plans?

quincunx · PostOct 28, 2019#102019-10-28T19:10+00:00

I don't know for sure, but there certainly was some in the neighborhood very opposed. One meeting I was at I expressed my disappointment that it was nowhere close to what the neighborhood plans showed as desired, nor met the draft form-based code (which is being worked on again) that was in the TOD plan. The head of the historic cmte really took the proposal to task. It was great.

I was worried that when they gave up on a drive thru for the bank, that they'd be able to build it by right. Maybe they could have, idk, or maybe they got cold feet given neighborhood pushback, again idk.

Ebsy · PostOct 28, 2019#112019-10-28T19:11+00:00

Great looking building and will bring much needed development to that corner, but I couldn't help but chuckle at the loop trolley peeking out in the bottom corner. Nice touch!

SkinkerD · PostOct 28, 2019#122019-10-28T20:54+00:00

This rendering was not developed by Green Street.
Green Street is not proposing to build this on the corner of Delmar & Skinker.

www.skinkerd.org

chriss752 · PostOct 28, 2019#132019-10-28T21:01+00:00

Interesting since the materials say Green Street and show the site at Delmar and Skinker. I have attached the document that was sent to me Saturday evening.

6190DelmarMarketing.pdf (6.5 MiB) 0

GoHarvOrGoHome · PostOct 28, 2019#142019-10-28T21:17+00:00

Strange that the last page of that flyer has the demographic circle centered on the intersection of Page and Hanley instead of Delmar/Skinker

SeattleNative · PostOct 28, 2019#152019-10-28T21:24+00:00

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:Strange that the last page of that flyer has the demographic circle centered on the intersection of Page and Hanley instead of Delmar/Skinker

Yes, I thought that was odd, too. And the document calls it Skinner, not Skinker. Still, the site they focus on is definitely the Southeast corner of Skinker & Delmar.

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SkinkerD · PostOct 28, 2019#162019-10-28T21:39+00:00

Time will tell. Everyone, stay tuned to our website for accurate updates.

urban_dilettante · PostOct 28, 2019#172019-10-28T21:48+00:00

"Herman" Park...

PostOct 28, 2019#182019-10-28T21:53+00:00

SkinkerD wrote: ↑
Oct 28, 2019

This rendering was not developed by Green Street.

Green Street is not proposing to build this on the corner of Delmar & Skinker.

www.skinkerd.org

1. Alright. Don't think anyone stated that the rendering was developed by Green Street.
2. Emphasis on this or emphasis on the corner of Delmar & Skinker?

quincunx · PostOct 28, 2019#192019-10-28T21:54+00:00

Irks me that the marketing materials tout vehicles per day on Delmar and Skinker and not people per day, smh.

chaifetz10 · PostOct 28, 2019#202019-10-28T22:38+00:00

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑
Oct 28, 2019
Strange that the last page of that flyer has the demographic circle centered on the intersection of Page and Hanley instead of Delmar/Skinker

This feels like just human error to me. Not everyone (including developers) know every single road in St. Louis and I'm sure when they had whoever create that graphic, they just selected the wrong road.

PostOct 28, 2019#212019-10-28T22:39+00:00

quincunx wrote: ↑
Oct 28, 2019
Irks me that the marketing materials tout vehicles per day on Delmar and Skinker and not people per day, smh.

While we on UrbanSTL may not like it, the reality is that St. Louis is still an autocentric city and investors / potential tenants care about vehicle traffic.

quincunx · PostOct 28, 2019#222019-10-28T23:25+00:00

Leaving out all the people walking by only hurts their marketing case.

sc4mayor · PostOct 29, 2019#232019-10-29T02:00+00:00

I’d say you’re both right. But it’s probably easier to get car counts than pedestrian counts. Generally just a pressure hose laid across the street attached to a counter. A pedestrian count would probably be a little more difficult.

wabash · PostOct 29, 2019#242019-10-29T02:48+00:00

SkinkerD wrote:Time will tell. Everyone, stay tuned to our website for accurate updates.

Looking forward to hearing more. Will be hoping in the meantime that whatever comes next will be closer to this or the prior three story development (@Delmar.Loop) than anything Chase has put forward.

symphonicpoet · PostOct 29, 2019#252019-10-29T04:57+00:00

sc4mayor wrote: ↑
Oct 29, 2019
I’d say you’re both right. But it’s probably easier to get car counts than pedestrian counts. Generally just a pressure hose laid across the street attached to a counter. A pedestrian count would probably be a little more difficult.

It may not be done, but there's no reason it couldn't be. An IR laser of the sort used to set off door bells or as a safety on garage doors would probably work just fine. Wouldn't be perfect, but you could probably figure out a pretty accurate estimate. Especially if you can find a way to figure the average false positives and subtract that out.